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 posted on March 24th, 2006 at 11:22 AM |
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Anyone know of an ignition system with tunable advance curve?
Hi all,
Having spent quite some time playing with my EFI system (even if it is on my Brothers car  ) it has made me realise just how much effect even the smallest change to the ignition timing can make to an engine...which got me
thinking:
Does anyone know of some sort of ignition system that allows the user to adjust the advance curve, or better still - allows the user to plot the
amount of ignition advance against engine revs and manifold vacuum?
I'm not concerned if it is in kit form, made from a collection of parts from all over the place, or comes in a package - I'm just interested to see
if it has been done and how it works?
I'm particularly looking for something that is a stand alone system (ie: not part of an EFI system, for example), so that it can be used with Carbied
cars and with EFI systems that dont control the ignition.
Anyone know of such an animal? If so, have you used it and what is your opinion?
R 
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| posted on March 24th, 2006 at 11:41 AM |
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" Get yourself a Mallory/MSD distributor. You will find they are VERY adjustable. " - aircooled.net
http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=IGD0003&carti...
Is this what you are after??
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| posted on March 24th, 2006 at 11:53 AM |
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Similar, but preferably tuned electronically (by laptop)....
R
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| posted on March 24th, 2006 at 12:32 PM |
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There was a Silicon Chip designed "programmable ignition timing" kit published in about 1999, and subsequently marketed in kit form by Dick Smith
and Jaycar. I can't find it on their websites, but you might be able to find floor stock.
hth
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| posted on March 24th, 2006 at 01:21 PM |
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Yer Pete
You beat me to it.
It is mentioned in the construction notes and so-on for the TAI ignition kit. The are notes on interfacing the programmeable ignition with the TAI.
It uses a handpeice to programme the ignition curves.
Sorry, i dont know anybody who has actually used one.
L8tr
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| posted on March 24th, 2006 at 01:50 PM |
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This from memory is only based on revs though, and the vacuum that operates the distributor vacuum can (made to operate a micro switch). No MAP
signal. So I'm not sure how much benefit it would give you.
I under stand the megasquirt lads are playing with some ignition timing stuff, I'm not sure if its stand alone or not, check out megaspark on google.
edit...And "Megajolt"
There must be some stand alone igintion stuff from the likes of MSD etc?
I'm also interested in this, cause one day I'll make a start on the EFI stuff I've got, and the Haltech I have is only fuel.... plus I eventually
want to fit a turbo, so boost retard is what I'd like to find, although I have seen some cunning ways to boost retard dissies.
CU
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| posted on March 24th, 2006 at 02:19 PM |
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MSD do make laptop and handset programmable ignition units, but for the cost id imagine upgrading your ecu to one which has ignition control would be
a better option.
testing 1 2 3...
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| posted on March 24th, 2006 at 02:43 PM |
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Your right on the money Shifty.
Those MSD and other programmeable ignitions standalone systems are very pricey.
The addition of Vac advance is not really much of a performance advantage, more an economy issue really.
Its always nice to be able to improve throttle response at low throttle openings but you can happily live with out it.
In rattys case, mechanical advance only will be quite sufficient.
As far as boost retard, well thats another animal altogether. When it comes to EFI and turboing, I dont see a lot of benifit in cutting too many
corners in an effort to save a few dollars here and there.
Ultimately, you need to approach that kind of clobber in the right way to begin with or just plonk on a turbo and draw thru a simple SU and be done
with it.
this would be the only way to save any real money over the entire EFI setup.
For mine, Id unload the fuel only computer for a couple of hundred bucks and put that money towards something like an MT-8 Microtech or a Wolf 3-D.
I bought an EMS TI-4 (fuel and ignition ECU) along with a handpeice for my Pulsar Turbo ET for 500 bucks. This is around the money for these older,
lower-end ECUs but they work perfectly. Often, they dont drastically alter as time and iterations of models go by but simply grow in their range of
features!
IMHO, Youd be better off to delay your project a bit in order to collect the right bits to begin with, rather than cobble up a system out of unrelated
goodies in the name of time!
You will never regret it.
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| posted on March 25th, 2006 at 02:00 PM |
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Thanks Tass, not quite the news I was hoping for... but I do appreciate your down to earth informative (from experience) posts.
I'll probably see what I can achieve using what I have, just because I already have it sitting there... but then again with the rate at which this
project moves I might decide on another engine option before then!?!
Cheers
Jeremy
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| posted on March 25th, 2006 at 03:49 PM |
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Hey Ross, is your EFI setup able to control the ignition system? If so, why dont you try the 1.9 DH distributor from the T3 vans, it will fit straight
into the aircooled motor and has a vac advance and runs a Hall sensor.
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| posted on March 28th, 2006 at 09:59 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 11CAB
Hey Ross, is your EFI setup able to control the ignition system? If so, why dont you try the 1.9 DH distributor from the T3 vans, it will fit straight
into the aircooled motor and has a vac advance and runs a Hall sensor.
Graham
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Thanks Graham - you have just answered my next question!
Yes, me EFI system can control the ignition - I have been using a machined down version of the Camira dissy to do this - but I am interested in being
able to change the advance on carbied cars too. Having spending a bit of time playing with the advance curve on Daves Baja motor and seeing what a
massive difference it makes to power and drivability (and being totally disgusted with the effect that the much worshiped 009 has on a VW motor) it
makes a lot of sense to me.
I could also see it being useful for those with EFI ECU's that don't control the spark.
Thanks everyone - I will go and have a look at the units that have been mentioned so far and see what is available. If anyone else knows of anything
else (or has had some experience with these units), please feel free to add something to this thread.
Thanks again
R
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