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| posted on September 10th, 2002 at 09:33 PM |
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1916, what do you think of it?
For the people running this setup now, what do you think of it? Any major probs?
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| posted on September 10th, 2002 at 09:57 PM |
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the 1916 in my mates car that we put together early this year is a lovely engine, plenty of good mid range...but it kinda lacks a bit of puff up top
as it just used standard heads and kadrons. As it stands I'd guess its a 16sec car with can scare a few cars from the lights, enough power to do
a bit of drifting round the corners however after a hard run the dipstick is noticably hotter than a smaller engine, however you can still tollerate
the temp, so its still good. Anyway put it this way, I'm not really one for hot dub engines but after playing around with this I've already
decided to put together a 2.2 or so for my wifes dub  should be fun to
see how long it lasts....I've got the case..anyone got a crank? |
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 06:24 AM |
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I've also got one of Stan's (base) 1916s in my Oval. I did a fair bit of ringing around before I made the final decision. His motors were
rubbished by other less reputable mechanics, espacially for not being torquey.
My brother took the car for a drive a few months ago (he was a VW mechanic for years) and was extremely impressed with the grunt. 
Stan's Steroids 1916 definately DO NOT lack top end get up and go. He proved that by numerous trophies in street cars (proper regd ones, not
stipped ones with perspex windows and the like).
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 09:01 AM |
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Thanks for the input. Yeah, I heard Stan is the 1916 master but the engine I am look at was built by SKH Motors in Sydney. Anyone know their work?
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 10:07 AM |
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I believe they are OK
Any idea what is inside though -
What cam?
Counter weighted crank?
What compression ratio?
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 12:00 PM |
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a lot of "vw specialists" choose to drive water cooled cars (engine swap or otherwise), shows how much faith they have in their work.
long live the pobjoy roid motor.
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 12:23 PM |
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I'd think the lack of top end would just be a reflection of the restrictions caused by carbs/heads/exhaust.
My 1915 with 40IDF's, 40x37mm 044s and 1 5/8 exhaust doesn't seem to be too lacking in the top end dept even with a very mild cam -- and
that's with 25% leakdown past the rings.
Nice motor though..but not as fast as i'd imagined.
One Q though, has anyone else had bad leakdown results with the 94mm P/Cs. Just wondering whether Berg's comments on them were maybe correct.
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 01:03 PM |
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well I've had an 1835 (came with the car), a 1776 (replaced the 92's with 90.5's) and a 1915. The 1776 was relatively stock, but
excellent value for money. However if I had my time again I would've built it as a relatively stock 1915 instead, but didn't have the money
to bore the case for the 94's at the time.
My 1915 now is fairly warm. 044 heads but not yet ported. You can rev it out to 7500, but doesn't make much power over 5500-6000rpm so there is
no point. Excellent low down torque with the 44IDF webers. They help smooth out the biggish cam. I like to drive it like a tractor in the traffic,
2000rpm change in each gear, and it's happy.
Virtually no price difference to smaller motors, so I don't see why anyone would build a smaller motor.
However it is not that quick compared to todays cars, especially in the big bulky baja. It was quite quick when it was in an L bug though.
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 05:00 PM |
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hey
in my bros car he has a 1916. it only runs fairly stock cam doweld flywheel and crankshaft standard heads and kadrons and it pulls pretty good! heaps
of low down torque and a top speed of around 160-170 kmp/h doing around 5000rpm!
i couldnt imagine how well it would go if he got some bigger carbies bigger cam and some bigger heads!
aircool'd or die i say!
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 05:37 PM |
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Bugmeister,
If you are talking about when Gene Berg stated that the 94s lost a % of their power potential after so-many hours, I think he must have been on some
really good drugs. What he stated was in effect saying that a 1916 had less power than a 1600 after so-many hours. Haven't got his catalogue with
me at work to get the exact details, but you get the gist of it.
[Edited on 11-9-2002 by 56astro]
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| posted on September 11th, 2002 at 08:10 PM |
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yeah apparently the early 94's weren't so good, those berg tests were taken quite a while back. Things have changed now and 94's can
last.
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 12:03 AM |
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I've got a 1916 with kadrons - soon to be upgraded to webbers...
Then want to fit oversized valves and get some porting done.
But after that - saving for a stroker crank....
Cant have too much power.
I wish i had of just fitted a WRX motor but too late now...
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 09:10 AM |
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Never too late Quickbug, sell the 1916 to me and get yourself the WRX 
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 12:09 PM |
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heh... just screw the 1915 and go Type 4
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 12:21 PM |
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Jon, I thought you have a 1916 in your car & happy with it! Why the change of mind?
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 08:13 PM |
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naw i only got a stocker 1600 SP... i would have gone 1915 if i had the extra grand or more for decent carbs and machining.
the 1915 is a great budget motor.
i do dream about putting in a type 4 one day
Jon
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 09:20 PM |
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Whats the best combo for resonable power increase and reliabilty? I have heard bad things about 1835's with head to barrel sealing probs, due to
cylinders bieng too thin.
What about 1776cc. This size seems to be used a lot in the yank mags.
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 05:01 PM |
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yeah 1776 is known as long lasting, i think the cylinder wall is same thickness as stock, and there isnt too much material removed from the
case/heads.
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 07:10 PM |
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How about power with the 1776. Is there a noticable increase over a 1600 with single carb and extractors.
Assuming the 1776 had the same.
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 09:29 PM |
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Go for the 94's. You know you want them. Go on, just do it.
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| posted on October 5th, 2002 at 09:52 AM |
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a 1776 has about 200cc's on a 1600, and if u can get webers or dells on it... I do know someone who got 117kw @ the wheels out of a worked 1776
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| posted on October 5th, 2002 at 12:28 PM |
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Cheap horse power but not for long
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How long?
I've been absolutely thrashing mine for 2 years with no probs other than i destroyed a generator pulley the other day....
COME AGAINWITH THE KW FROM THE 1776cc?!?!??
Fully worked how?
I'm lucky to put out 76kw atw atm - sure theres plenty of room for improvement but damn thats alot from a 1776...
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| posted on October 5th, 2002 at 07:17 PM |
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yeah i know... well it was running 044's, had some head work obviously, dual weber IDF's ... He claimed it made that many kw at the
wheels...
sounded more like @ the flywheel to me, although he wondered why he was overheating, i noticed his engine bay seals were non-existant, u could see
right down onto the ground with the decklid open.
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| posted on October 6th, 2002 at 01:28 AM |
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Thats Fantastic 1776. Must be on Methanol. Please question him for view of the Dyno card.
Regards,Glenn>
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 10:17 PM |
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@ the wheels ???
Man if he can get that at the wheels I would be very very suprissed, I have seen bigger engines fall short of 100kw @ the wheels so a 1776 with some
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 11:11 PM |
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yeah i know... it sounds a lot more plausible for a flywheel measurement, although i am pretty sure he said @ the wheels. Last time i saw him he
said he wanted to get a 911 shroud... for a 1776???
Jon
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| posted on October 8th, 2002 at 08:28 AM |
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Well I have had my 1915 for quite a while. It must be at least 5 years old. It has had a relatively hard life, and it doesn't run hot,
hasn't cracked the case and doesn't have an excessive amount of blow-by.
And to think Stan Pobjoy has made hundreds of 1915's, he must have a lot of angry customers with all those cracked case warranty claims he must
get.
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| posted on October 9th, 2002 at 11:52 AM |
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Stan's motors are the only engines you see in the trading post. His engines are the only ones that last.
Save yourself a lot of trial and error and go with Stan's recommendations exactly.
Stan's cams are brilliant and his combinations are fantastic. His engines certainly go better than the sum of their parts.
John Spinks used to Hillclimb with one of Stan's engines in a mid-engined beetle. He changed to a subaru turbo motor and didn't go any
faster. He's since quit hillclimbing.
CYA, CT
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| posted on October 10th, 2002 at 11:29 AM |
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Hey Ben,
That's not a testimonial. I should know I work in advertising.
I owe Stan nothing.
I just want to pass on some advice. There are a lot of combos that don't work. Like my 44mm valves with Stan's cam (I should have gone for
40 or 42s instead. Like Greg Ward's 48IDFs instead of 44s. John Ladomaris (sp) has a 1915 and has tried heaps of different cams yet he still
rate's Stan's as one of the best. He has also run into problems using Street Eliminators (remember Stan recommends 044s). I've tried a
US-style turbo muffler. I lost bottom-end compared to Stan's recommendation. Believe it or not I could keep going...
Likewise, you have found your own combination that works.
I am aware of the rivalry between you and Stan. Stan's boys have been racing you in hillclimbs for years. It's only natural that he'll
rubbish strokers and you'll rubbish 94s.
Personally I'd like to put one of your cranks with my 94 engine, but what cam would I run???
My advice to the aussieveedubbers is; if you only want to build an engine once go with a proven combination.
CYA, CT:P
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| posted on October 10th, 2002 at 11:40 AM |
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heh i think i probably would opt for 94's anyway because i think i would be bored of it once i had it for 5 years
Jon
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