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 fish26
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 03:09 PM |
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Most amount of HP under 2L VW Flat Four
What's the most amount of HP you have got out of a VW engine thats 2L or smaller and the COMBINATION used? C'mon fellas tell us your secrets.
1641cc 82HP ATW
311 heads home ported stock valves
W120, 1:1.25
8.5:1 comp
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When i used to run my 68 1500 street car i had 140.2 rwhp out of a 2007
48idas
berg heads
fk89
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carrlio rods
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My now departed 1585 was a ripper i miss it according to
the slide rule it had 112hp@wheels.cw crank,arp bolts on stock rods,no more than 7.5:1 comp,scat c95 cam,37.5x33mm miss matched heads d port
heads,45mm dlra's w/38mm vents.I'm going to be helping frosty build an evo 2 version stroked out to 1599cc .
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1999.9cc type1. Wedge ports, engle 120 with 1.25:1 ratio rockers.10.5: CR, 48 ida's plus lots of other little bits and pieces.....
just over 130 hp@wheels. Still has more room in it with better ingition (still points and 009) and a dyno tune.But also want to make it more driveable
to.
I am sure craig will chime in soon.....
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What about turbo
350+Hp from 1914 can be done.
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| Quote: | Originally
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What about turbo
350+Hp from 1914 can be done.
Hermann
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haha, thats awesome!
How long did that motor last?
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New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta! |
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nice lttle ripper motors u boys got there.... or had, sorry col...
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 06:15 AM |
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it also depends on which day of the week and which dyno the car has been tested on
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 08:40 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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it also depends on which day of the week and which dyno the car has been tested on
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you're right, different dynos will give different results, if all are set up right, should only be 2 - 6%, whats the day of the week got to do with
it though, is every Sunday 22* 1016mbar and every Tuesday 16* 998mbar?
We roughly get to see what people are running out of their mouse motors regardless of what dyno was used, because its not a contest just info.
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 08:47 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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What about turbo
350+Hp from 1914 can be done.
Hermann
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Welcome to the forum Hermann, that a healthy 1914 mate, seems you are still playing around with turbos, why don't you tell us more about your other
engines eg, 2013 T4 turbo. we can just call it 2L.
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No dyno sponsor so i use SIR ISAAC NEWTONS DYNO.Can't complain about blowing it up missed a shift on the street(used to shift around 8;8500)so what
it went to is your guess then next time at the drags broke a lifter!Pulled the pushrods out of cylinder 2 and drove it for another couple of weeks
eaislly the fastest 3cyl 1200 around
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 09:40 PM |
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-- Most amount of HP out of 2L or less
Scaling the Formula One engines (2.4 litres - 582 kW) back to 2 litres would give about 485 kW, but that doesn't really answer your question as there
are severe restrictions such as
- no more than 4 valves per cylinder
- no forced induction
- no "exotic" materials allowed
- limited to only 18000 RPM
Taking these restrictions away, it should be possible to make (forced induction) 1000 kW out of a "2 litre or less" for a short period. You may need
to speak to your bank manager.
hth
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 11:48 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by coletrickle
SIR ISAAC NEWTONS DYNO.
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Can't argue with a time card !!
so much effort for that time card.
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Hi.
It has been so long ago that I put togeather my 2L type 4 turbo engine, that I can hardly remember all the specs.
It uses standard type4 casing, crank is also standard, just lightened, polished and balanced. rods is also standard type4, lightened, polished and
balanced. Pistons is KS 95mm (1mm oversize) with vaive pockets for the exhaust valves, in bored out type4 cylinders. The cam is a reground type4 cam
with about 290 deg. advertised duration and .5" lift at the valves (not a turbo grind) on 108 lobe centres. I use type 4 solid lifters and type4
aluminium pushrods. Rockers is out of a late model with hydraulic lifters and big adjusters (they measured out to have the most lift). I run 44 mm
jintake valves out of a nissan L28 sngine and 38mm exhaust valves from a nissan ute (exhaust valves had to be shortened). It is running chev v8 double
velve springs on vw retainers and nissan valve locks. The heads have been flowed by myself and is not welded. I use a locked out vw 2.1 wasser boxer
ignition system and draw through turbo system with a 750 vac Holley. I built most of it myself an have run it with up to 28psi (2 bar) boost without
any problems making 325 Kw.
This is a drag engine only, so I dont know how long it will last on the road. I have only seen type one turbo engines of 1914 making more than 350Hp
and do not own one myself.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 05:13 AM |
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Wally's 1915 prouced around ???hp.
10.16 and 139mph in 1570lb car.
Pete's N/A 94x72.5? engine made as much power as his current 2332cc,(same heads actually),
and ran 11.27?@116.8mph in 1500lb car
Michael Nash's N/A 1835 ran 11.9?@112mph in 1450lb car.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 07:42 PM |
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Come on Dave, quit playing games and fill in the blanks.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 08:18 PM |
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http://www.pontiacpower.org/hpcalculatorquarter.php
Pageys engine made about 168 atw or 188 afw.
Wallys 1915cc turbo : 290 wheel.... or 320 FW.
Miguelle Nash 1835cc : 143wheel and 159 FW
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That's mad Alan.
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| posted on November 1st, 2009 at 09:32 AM |
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240hp @ 9000rpm n/a 1915??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2frvQNmuS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dRORDF5X9g&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9cQhJRTUbs&feature=related
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| posted on November 1st, 2009 at 10:34 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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240hp @ 9000rpm n/a 1915??
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Mmmmm nice.
I'd like to build that...
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| posted on November 1st, 2009 at 08:15 PM |
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Wow that thing has some kick!!! 
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| posted on November 1st, 2009 at 09:16 PM |
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Aaron's 20B Kombi puts out over 700 at the wheels doesn't it? And that's less than 2L.
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| posted on November 1st, 2009 at 09:26 PM |
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Good memory Dave!
The 1835's best was 11.91 @ 110.87, 19/05/01.
Good air - 339', tune was K84 main pill, .036" secondary bypass, .042 K40 high speed with 43mm throttle bodies and .024" nozzles.
Launched @ 6000 off the 2 step, shift at 6600 and 7200 through the traps.
Weight at that time was around 1420-1450.
Best at 1/2 track was 7.50 @ 89.68
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| posted on November 2nd, 2009 at 03:10 PM |
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79.3hp from 1990cc Type 4. 365 000k's, 40 mm Dell's, hydraulic cam, ported heads, 1800 valves, custom exhaust and light flywheel. Everything else
stock including the compression of 7.4:1.
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how about this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v15y0b480GY&feature=related
Johannes Persson's best 1/4 mile run at BugRun 2008. Stock crank, rods and 40x35mm vales in stock (edit: sort off) VW cast heads. Dynoed 195hp at
7700 rpm. IDA carbs.
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365 000k's,
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good one brennden.
"i rebuilt it five times but its got 365k on the speedo".
My white beetle has more miles on it than that.
"and I have never split the case"
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
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That's mad Alan.
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Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
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.........nice
IMO....HP is a pissing contest.
Its worth is in tuning but the real test is on the track
My 1600 has bugger all HP but bugger all weight, but can hold it's head up at the track so I really don't care how much HP it has.
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally
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[quote
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
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.........nice
IMO....HP is a pissing contest.
Its worth is in tuning but the real test is on the track
My 1600 has bugger all HP but bugger all weight, but can hold it's head up at the track so I really don't care how much HP it has.
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The thread was started to see how much HP is produced with varieties of engine combinations under 2L, maybe suss out some out of the box thinking
(Johannes @ JPM, Cal Look Forums) and learn a few things, cause there's plenty of experience lurking around the aussie forums.
I just hope people don't get confused between engine HP and size of their appendage.
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1300 HP
The daddy of them all has to be the most powerfull F1 engine, The BMW 1500cc M12/13/1 engines from 1983-1987 era.
The blocks were sourced 2nd hand and usually had 100,000 KM on them. BMW's thinking was that the structure had settled by then.
Apparently, blocks were to be seen left out in the weather to further stabilise them. In the later years of this engine, BMW discoverd a process which
was performed on the new blocks.
It is also believed that German engineers urinated on the blocks as well!
Sword makers in the middle ages would quench their swords in urine to make them stronger.
Urine has high levels of ammonia which contains nitrogen....Nitriding!
Capacity: 1499cc
Bore x Stroke: 89.2 x 60mm
Max Revs: 11,500rpm
Power;
1983:-Race @3bar 740hp
-Qual @3.2bar 800hp
1984;-Race @3.8bar 880hp
-Qual @4.5bar 1,050hp
1985;-Race @3.6bar 850hp
-Qual @5.4bar 1,200hp
1986;-Race @3.6bar 850hp
-Qual @5.5bar 1,300hp
1987-Race @3.8bar 900hp
-Qual restricted to 4 bar
Pretty amazing for a era with mechanical injection & antiquated electronics!
There were also reports that BMW did reach 1,500hp in qualifying trim in '85 & '86!
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by BeetleJuice
The daddy of them all has to be the most powerfull F1 engine, The BMW 1500cc M12/13/1 engines from 1983-1987 era.
The blocks were sourced 2nd hand and usually had 100,000 KM on them. BMW's thinking was that the structure had settled by then.
Apparently, blocks were to be seen left out in the weather to further stabilise them. In the later years of this engine, BMW discoverd a process which
was performed on the new blocks.
It is also believed that German engineers urinated on the blocks as well!
Sword makers in the middle ages would quench their swords in urine to make them stronger.
Urine has high levels of ammonia which contains nitrogen....Nitriding!
Capacity: 1499cc
Bore x Stroke: 89.2 x 60mm
Max Revs: 11,500rpm
Power;
1983:-Race @3bar 740hp
-Qual @3.2bar 800hp
1984;-Race @3.8bar 880hp
-Qual @4.5bar 1,050hp
1985;-Race @3.6bar 850hp
-Qual @5.4bar 1,200hp
1986;-Race @3.6bar 850hp
-Qual @5.5bar 1,300hp
1987-Race @3.8bar 900hp
-Qual restricted to 4 bar
Pretty amazing for a era with mechanical injection & antiquated electronics!
There were also reports that BMW did reach 1,500hp in qualifying trim in '85 & '86!
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Thanks for the interesting info Craig, however irrelevant it may be.
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| Quote: | Originally
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by LIFE IN THE LOW LANE
365 000k's,
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good one brennden.
"i rebuilt it five times but its got 365k on the speedo".
My white beetle has more miles on it than that.
"and I have never split the case"
Just like the old axe.
Its had five handles and five heads,
but it is still the same axe.
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365 000k's on that engine when i dropped a valve. case hasn't been split since it was built. All I did was repair the damaged head and replace
exhaust valves, one damaged piston and rings.
So in my books it is STILL the same engine as all i have done was repair the damage. If it had a total rebuild then it would be a new engine so
obviously that isn't the case.....
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