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 AUSSIE_MICK
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Labor Governments New Motor Vehicle Suspension Regulations
Does this affect you?
Link:- https://leaders.myelectorate.com.au/crm/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url....
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Think it will affect my dad's hot rod.
It's a 1937 hudson terraplane and is
considerably lower than standard.
original height
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I had a quick read and to be honest it sounds fairly reasonable for the most part. Less than 50mm can be self certified, by a competent person. But
what I cant see is how a person is deemed competent? Maybe I missed something?
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 PM |
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Think it will affect my dad's hot rod.
It's a 1937 hudson terraplane and is
considerably lower than standard.
original height
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There's a bit near the bottom about street rod's. Sounds like they are basically still covered by there own set of rules.
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 PM |
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Do we have a publication date yet??
On page 5 it says:
"This VSI No. 50 applies to vehicles modified and notified to the RTA or presented to an AUVIS after [publication date + 6 months]"
So we essentially have 6 months post the publication date, which at the top of page 1 is "TBA" to get things lowered under the current rules.
Just as well I'm about to get mine done, not that I would have a problem under the new rules (although with at least a 2 inch drop it would need a
blue slip), but how much more of a pain would it be 
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as it sits now. It will come back up alittle
as he has not finishe the fabrication of
the suspension. He stopped working on
his to help me work on my type three.
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it says no to drop spindles, could affect a few vws
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 10:26 PM |
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is this document just for NSW or is it going nation wide? i'm a little worried, i'm restoring a 59 cadillac, heres a promo pic and as you can see
the "trim" is deff in the negative prospective. no engineering trickry here, its a factory promo picture!
vee-dub boys note that dropped spindles are OUT!!!
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It's not retrospective.
So if your car has been modified and then rego'd, it sounds like it's ok.
My apprentice was in a rush to get his airbaged hilux signed off on when they announced it, so it wouldn't affect him.
Have they passed this yet?? Or are we in the + 6 months??
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It's not retrospective.
So if your car has been modified and then rego'd, it sounds like it's ok.
My apprentice was in a rush to get his airbaged hilux signed off on when they announced it, so it wouldn't affect him.
Have they passed this yet?? Or are we in the + 6 months??
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How can they prove if your suspension was modified before or after it has been rego'ed? Will you have to provide receipts or something?
Also, what is the definition of a street rod?
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Also, what is the definition of a street rod?
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A street rod is a special category of registration, with special rules detailed here: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/street_rod...
Basically, “A Street Rod shall mean a vehicle that has a body and frame that were built before 1949, that has been modified for safe road use, or a
replica of a vehicle the body and frame of which were built before 1949. Note that vehicles manufactured in 1949 or later that are carry over models
of a vehicle model manufactured prior to 1949, eg Ford Anglia, are included in the Street Rod classification.”
I suppose it could be argued that all Beetles, particularly the earliest shape ones, are carry-over models from a pre-1949 design, but I'm not sure
whether you'd win that argument. It would be nice to register a Bug as a street rod though, as they're allowed some very broad freedoms, such as
10" wide wheels for example, and engines up to 7.6 litres.
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Were drop spindles ever legal in nsw?
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 07:06 AM |
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How can they prove if your suspension was modified before or after it has been rego'ed? Will you have to provide receipts or something?
Also, what is the definition of a street rod?
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Page 10, Yup that's what it says.
Under 5cm either recipts or stat dec.
Over 5 a report from the rta.
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 07:54 AM |
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you can go more than 50 just need eng cert. but not more than 150 . still has thw 100mm law , think most of this is towards newer cars and 4x4's
old cars would more than likely be in a case by case .
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 09:53 AM |
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Hi
I think this new VSI50 is a step in the right direction, 150 mm is almost 6 inches.
Never been keen on dropped spindles.
The hot rods have very strict rules about what is a hot rod and will never allow that to change, even for US style cars post 1948 and would never
allow a VW to be treated as a hot rod.
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 AM |
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It hasnt been passed yet.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/vehiclestandards/raise_lower_vehicles....
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 12:29 PM |
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alot of business will be lost if it does pass , 6 inch drop is not much for a splitscreen bus , most of that is with the change of tyre
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Were drop spindles ever legal in nsw?
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Not that I know of
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alot of business will be lost if it does pass , 6 inch drop is not much for a splitscreen bus , most of that is with the change of tyre
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Change of height by changing tyres isn't included in that particular document, that's why they go to very careful lengths to define 'trim height'.
Basically you're allowed 50mm by suspension drop without a report, or 150mm by suspension drop with a report, and then some other amount by tyre
choice which is defined in a separate paper. I haven't read that one but the end result is that the minimum legal height is still 100mm.
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question
allegedly, a young bloke has his air baged car parked in a car park, car nearly sitting on the ground,while he is at work and gets a defect for his
being lower then 100mm.
the car has a engineers report and a adjustment of records on the rego papers matching the engineers cert saying air bags fitted.
So my question is why the defect for being lower then 100mm??????????????????????????????
allegedly the police do the rite thing as he had to check the car and owners detail on the net to write out the defect notice.??
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 05:37 PM |
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Hi
I guess that if the car has air bags fitted it must still comply with minimum height requirements of 100 mm, whether its driving or not.
Steve
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 05:39 PM |
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I dont see any air bag cars like that, they all sit down low  so
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 05:42 PM |
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Hi
I followed a Hi Lux the other day, it was dragging the arse on the ground with the front in the air, what happens to headlight aiming in that case, up
in the trees I would guess.
Before Rose says anything about being online, I've been working on my bug all day.
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 05:48 PM |
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Hi
I guess that if the car has air bags fitted it must still comply with minimum height requirements of 100 mm, whether its driving or not.
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The way I read it, is that adjuctable ride heights must not be able to be adjusted whilst the vehicle is mobile. Dumping it on the ground while
staionary in a car park etc should be legal. Thats how I read it.
Which I think is the current regulation on that issue anyway.
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posted by Special Air Service
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posted by 1303Steve
Hi
I guess that if the car has air bags fitted it must still comply with minimum height requirements of 100 mm, whether its driving or not.
Steve
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The way I read it, is that adjuctable ride heights must not be able to be adjusted whilst the vehicle is mobile. Dumping it on the ground while
staionary in a car park etc should be legal. Thats how I read it.
Which I think is the current regulation on that issue anyway.
Cheers
Brendan
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yeah allegedly this car was park and the owner was at work,
the young bloke come in late to day when we were leaving work to go home, He had to get the defect cleared and it was as easy for him to just push a
button. and the car was 100mm
maybe we didnt get the whole story.
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 09:02 PM |
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A Type 3 is equipped with "variable height suspension control system" (aka splines) and so can be slammed to minimum clearance  see point1, on page 4.
Also the "Ground clearance over peak in road" method is totally dependent on wheelbase. So a large car can not be as low to the ground as a much
shorter vw.
Go the Type 3's.
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Ho hum.
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A Type 3 is equipped with "variable height suspension control system" (aka splines) and so can be slammed to minimum clearance see point1, on page 4.
Also the "Ground clearance over peak in road" method is totally dependent on wheelbase. So a large car can not be as low to the ground as a much
shorter vw.
Go the Type 3's.
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Hi
Type 3s have a shorter wheel base than 1302 & 1303s.
I don't want to get all political but if the Labor government gets the boot next year, the shadow roads minister Andrew Stoner is likely to get that
portfolio, please go to his website and register for his newletter http://www.andrewstoner.com.au/
At least he listening now, it may a different matter if he actually gets the job
This the email I received from him
Dear Steve
This morning, I obtained a copy of the Keneally Labor Government's latest plans to introduce their long-feared harsh new vehicle suspension
regulations.
A copy of Labor's latest VSI-50 regulation can be found here.
I am in the process of going through the document and speaking with affected 4WDers and car enthusiasts.
Please email me and let me know what you think of Labor's latest vehicle height regulations.
Regards Andrew Stoner
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posted by 1303Steve
Hi
I guess that if the car has air bags fitted it must still comply with minimum height requirements of 100 mm, whether its driving or not.
Steve
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The way I read it, is that adjuctable ride heights must not be able to be adjusted whilst the vehicle is mobile. Dumping it on the ground while
staionary in a car park etc should be legal. Thats how I read it.
Which I think is the current regulation on that issue anyway.
Cheers
Brendan
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yeah allegedly this car was park and the owner was at work,
the young bloke come in late to day when we were leaving work to go home, He had to get the defect cleared and it was as easy for him to just push a
button. and the car was 100mm
maybe we didnt get the whole story.
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Hi
This is all grey area.
So if you have bald tyres on your car could it be defected in a car park like the guy was defected with the air bagged car?
I'm not agreeing with the guy getting booked, just discussing it.
Steve
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There's nothing grey about it, a car park is a road-related area and hence your car must be registered and comply with all roadworthiness rules. If
it was on private land such as a driveway, then you could legally argue that they have no right to defect you, but in a public road or road-related
area, parked cars are fair game.
As far as I can work out, the main reason that you're not allowed to leave parked cars slammed to the ground is that it makes it too difficult to tow
your car away if your are parked illegally. Rules are rules nonetheless.
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