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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 05:06 PM |
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Problems with Kafer Bars and Heater Boxes - Photos Added
Just wondering if anyone else has had problems either fitting Kafer Bars due to their heater boxes or as in my case now cant fit heater boxes due to
Kafer bar being in the way.
Looks like if I want to keep the Kafer Bars to stops frame horns twisting etc then I am going to have to ditch the heater boxes. But this is not
really an option as I spent a fortune on ceramic coated heater boxes and a sidewinder exhaust. We also mustn't forget the new tinware to suit a
heater that I had to modify and then had all powder coated.
Not very happy, Kev.
Note: Even tried a standard heater box and same problem 
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 05:16 PM |
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yeah Joel said he had that issue as well 
chin up, always a solution out there, just more time and thought unfortunately
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 05:29 PM |
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Some pics may help us to help you with a solution
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 06:25 PM |
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Some pics may help us to help you with a solution
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Here ya go. Hard to get the right angle of the path the rod is meant to take, but you should get the idea. I have added a rough line of where it
should be, but the heater box is in the way.
[size=5]And this one with the bar in place if you can work out where the heater box is meant to be.[/size]
Kev
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 06:50 PM |
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MMMMMMMM As you say the pictures don't do the problem much justas , but the several solution that come to mind are 1 puting holes in the heater boxs
and running the kafer bars through said box with rubber grommets at the entry and exit point .2 adjust the kafer bar to exactly how you want those 2
bars adjusted and then get custom bent or offset bracket bars made to suit , yes they won't be adjustable but once set this shouldn't change on a
street car .
3 . move the bottom mount point foward ?? to avoid the boxs .
What ever your solution ' i'd be keeping in contact with Craig or where ever you purchased the kafer bar from and make it an optional upgrade to the
kit .
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 08:23 PM |
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If you cant get that one on , it a waste of time having the other two on.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 08:45 PM |
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If you cant get that one on , it a waste of time having the other two on.
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That's what I thought, these are the two main bars to stop the frame horn flexing.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 10:00 PM |
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could you maybe make a small bracket to line up with the bar off the gearbox mount? id suggest a thicker gearbox mount to match but kicking it out/up
that little bit higher may solve the issue, failing that, just wear a jumper gloves & beanie like the rest of the worlds dubbers in cold areas
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 10:37 PM |
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There are no problems only solutions waiting to be found
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 10:58 PM |
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Very positive thinking. I like it.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 11:58 PM |
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Do both sides foul? or just the near side?
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 08:55 AM |
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Yes, both sides foul and here are photos of the drivers side.
You can see in the first photo the upper and lower mounts and then in the second trying to line both mounts up, the heater box is in the way. And
this is 1/2 cylinder which is further back, so the passengers side 3/4 cylinder is even worse.
Thanks for the ideas also, Kev
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 09:00 AM |
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This was the issue I found as Daimo mentioned.
started putting a spare engine with heaterboxes in and clunk before it hit home base.
Not sure how viable it would be but the best solution I thought of was a bar with a dogleg around the heaterbox.
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 10:57 AM |
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Any bends in those bars would make them virtually useless.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 12:18 PM |
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Big brother say's "heater boxes, it's time to go".
It does seem to be the best option! Call it a learning exercise and continue with the work. It's looking good.
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 12:28 PM |
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just take them off. I dont think you will drive it that much let aloan like peter.
If you want to drive around like peter brock use your commodore .
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 02:54 PM |
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You would use the heater boxes more than the kafer bar set up
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 03:13 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Big brother say's "heater boxes, it's time to go".
It does seem to be the best option! Call it a learning exercise and continue with the work. It's looking good.
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I understand what you are saying, but my ceramic coated heater boxes, exhaust and all other parts that go hand in hand with having a heater cost me
over $1200. So I'm sure you can see why I want to keep them, not to mention having to buy new dog house cooler tinware and then having to fit it.
And I think one good reason to keep them is so as to have a demister which is required and the car has to pass an engineers exam. But the biggest
reason to keep them is so the wife might actually come in the car in the winter time with me.
Heater boxes are staying.
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 03:27 PM |
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No worries, problem part solved.
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 03:42 PM |
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Like the Towdster said, I'd be modding the heater box's to get around the bars. The braces must be straight. Once the heater box's are modded a few
more dollars and they'll be pretty again too
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 04:00 PM |
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Ask craig fro two extra bars and moutn further up and below the Heater boxes... Surely you can find a few mounting points?what if you welded/made up a
vertical bar from the trans mount to the firewall and went somewhere there?
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 05:38 PM |
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WOTAM waste of time and money as Bazza said u wil be using the heater boxes more than the bars
Its a crussier not a FULL ON race car sell them off n get some money back
Ive never had anything that fancy Even Greg dosent have that stuff
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 06:56 PM |
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Yea but you drive like teh old wimmens
Greg, it wouldnt take much of a bend to clear, not enough to cause a loss of strength or movement anyway.
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 07:21 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Any bends in those bars would make them virtually useless.
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Could you not bend the bars just enough to clear, then gusset the back of the bar to replace any strength that could have been lost through bending?
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 07:22 PM |
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get Craig to cut a THICK plate with center hole that goes over the heater box.........with mounting tang on each side
send him the bars to be shortened and tapped for clevis joints
4 bars
could be nuts, but just a different take on it
yeah heater boxes are cool, recently borrowed a beetle with them in tact and absolutely loved it with the heat on tap!
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 07:29 PM |
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yeah heater boxes are cool,
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I thought the point of heater boxes was that they were uncool
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 07:36 PM |
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 | Quote: | Originally posted by Joel
Yea but you drive like teh old wimmens
Greg, it wouldnt take much of a bend to clear, not enough to cause a loss of strength or movement anyway.
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 07:42 PM |
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........i'd like to see how the #$%^ you bend em and then get the
tabs to line back up!
cut em..........keep the two end pieces and curve two more pieces around each side of the heaters..... notch them neato.........tig em up!
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 08:21 PM |
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Just need to be care full that if doing a dog leg rod that when wound into tension , ie perfect adjustment position that when reinstalled with the dog
leg in place that the desired position / adjustment also has the dogleg going the correct way as in , hell you know what i mean .
And as for the views of it's only a streeter and the kafer bars are not needed , well you best have a look at the rear of your engine under hard
excelaration before and after the fitment of a Kafer bar or similar
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| posted on February 16th, 2011 at 08:23 PM |
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I am sort of glad you have identified this problem Kev - I am thinking of getting some later on, but I love my heaters too much to get rid of them.
I think there is a lot of merrit in Damo's idea - I think if something like this could be developed, it would certainly give more people the option
of using them.
From your ole' mate Jeff
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