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 Allbones
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| posted on September 5th, 2012 at 02:31 PM |
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4x130 to 5x205 Wheel Adapter
I've searched and I cant find if these are made or not. Curious to know if anyone does make them and if not, why not?
Cheers, John.
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| posted on September 5th, 2012 at 02:43 PM |
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mate, these are illegal to use on the road in australia. they can be engineered to be legal, but first you would need to find and engineer willing to
sign off on them.
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| posted on September 5th, 2012 at 02:46 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by barls
mate, these are illegal to use on the road in australia. they can be engineered to be legal, but first you would need to find and engineer willing to
sign off on them.
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So pending approval from said engineer, does anyone already make these? or am I going to have to get them milled if I want a set?
Edit: or is it a better option to change the drums/convert to disc with wide 5 config.
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| posted on September 5th, 2012 at 02:55 PM |
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better off converting to wide five all the way around.
i believe that vintage does a disc brake set for wide five. so does vw conversions but i got stung big time by him so i dont recommend him.
basically if you find said engineer, he is probably going to specify what materials they need to be made out of.
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| posted on September 5th, 2012 at 03:01 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by barls
better off converting to wide five all the way around.
i believe that vintage does a disc brake set for wide five. so does vw conversions but i got stung big time by him so i dont recommend him.
basically if you find said engineer, he is probably going to specify what materials they need to be made out of.
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Ahh ok, too easy.
Sorry to be bothersom, I'm a bit pedantic when trying to work out builds. Cheers.
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| posted on September 5th, 2012 at 03:59 PM |
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no problem mate, its better to ask than get stuck and have to look for a new direction once going.
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| posted on September 5th, 2012 at 04:49 PM |
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John Sherman sells them, and Classic, I have a second hand set if you want.
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| posted on September 9th, 2012 at 08:12 PM |
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DON'T buy Shermans/Volksconversions. They stand no chance of passing an engineers inspection unless the engineer is fall over drunk at the time.
Even Vintages stuff you need to see it and have an engineer check it over b4 you part with your money unless the Vintage gear has Oz wide ADR approval
already.
Correctly made adapters should be legal here but the ADR is a bit old fashioned and agricultural in it's approach to things IMO. They need to get
with the times a bit quicker 
Spacers can be bought from good suppliers in Europe, UK and USA.
At the end of the day, unless the central hub is a cast or machined item that includes the wheel mounting surface then all other kits, like airkewld
and CSP, use an adapter plate to mount the wheel to the hub. This in essence is nothing more than a wheel adapter.
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| posted on September 9th, 2012 at 08:44 PM |
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get the made your self out of 20 mm plate it will pass
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| posted on September 9th, 2012 at 10:42 PM |
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get the made your self out of 20 mm plate it will pass
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i hope you mean 6061 alloy cos in steel that is WAY too thick. For a 35mm overhang some 12mm 4041 should be more than enough. Check the TUV approved
CSP kit and they use 15mm alloy for the adapter plate.
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| posted on September 10th, 2012 at 06:10 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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DON'T buy Shermans/Volksconversions. They stand no chance of passing an engineers inspection unless the engineer is fall over drunk at the time.
Even Vintages stuff you need to see it and have an engineer check it over b4 you part with your money unless the Vintage gear has Oz wide ADR approval
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i've always wondered what is wrong with the sherman kits, everybody says don't buy! And they won't pass engineers! But not a single person would
ever give me one good reason, except personal opinion or hearsay 
Quit calling rust patina
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| posted on September 10th, 2012 at 08:51 AM |
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I said Sherman's adapters. They are the same imported ones that other VW shops sell. I'm not saying they are legal, or I like them or his brake kits
which I feel your thinking of Nils. On that subject, give me a call, I'll tell my opinion of the 'approved front disc' conversion kit, and not just
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| posted on September 10th, 2012 at 12:24 PM |
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Nils, these days it's hard to give a written opinion on something as it could lead to being sued just for having an opinion on something.
As it is for a legal opinion you'd have to have an engineer check the kit over but next time you are at Action or Dubs at Pub and you can look the
kit over then you can form your own opinion on it's worthiness.
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| posted on September 10th, 2012 at 06:18 PM |
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Early in the piece i bought a couple of disc brake conversions kits from the fore said vendor, i could not bleed the first set, when i pulled it apart
it had only had a taurbmans reco with a can of black paint with new pads fitted, both calipers had been pushed back into the sludge in the caliper
piston bore and were seized, i got the other calipers out from the next set and both bleeder broke of, neither sets had been over hauled, i approched
the fore said vendor for some assistance and never received any or had a reply from him ever again, so when ever i see him at the shows i make certain
i stay by his stand and tell every body not to touch his crap, the engineer that i use told me he regularly refuse to pass some of his brakes as they
generate less braking force than the brakes that they replace. buyer beware.
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| posted on September 10th, 2012 at 06:54 PM |
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had a similar thing with a brake drum from him after getting stung with the price and shipping. the drum started to collapse on the splines. his
answer was that i didnt do it up tight enough, my reply was if 100kg on the end of a 1m pipe wasnt tight enough then it was never going to be tight
enough. he replaced the drum in the end with a blank but i had to get it drilled to fit it to the car.
will never use him again.
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| posted on September 10th, 2012 at 07:11 PM |
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Just keep warning people. still owes me the replacement parts from years ago.
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| posted on September 11th, 2012 at 12:19 AM |
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posted by vwo60
Early in the piece i bought a couple of disc brake conversions kits from the fore said vendor, i could not bleed the first set, when i pulled it apart
it had only had a taurbmans reco with a can of black paint with new pads fitted, both calipers had been pushed back into the sludge in the caliper
piston bore and were seized, i got the other calipers out from the next set and both bleeder broke of, neither sets had been over hauled, i approched
the fore said vendor for some assistance and never received any or had a reply from him ever again, so when ever i see him at the shows i make certain
i stay by his stand and tell every body not to touch his crap, the engineer that i use told me he regularly refuse to pass some of his brakes as they
generate less braking force than the brakes that they replace. buyer beware.
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Go VW060 Fully agree with you  oh and don't that brake kit use 4x M8 bolts to hold the adapter plate on? Scarily under engineered
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| posted on September 11th, 2012 at 06:44 AM |
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Well this got off topic real quick, sorry bout that allbones.
I have sherman adaptors on the front of mine and will post a pic soon as i take the front wheel off and you can make up your own mind.
bottom line is, bolt on they are technically illegal ( though there are ways around this )
psimitar- think the original wheel nuts hold them on
Quit calling rust patina
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| posted on September 11th, 2012 at 08:30 PM |
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psimitar- think the original wheel nuts hold them on
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Wheel adapters yes but sure I saw M8's used on the brake disc kit
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| posted on October 8th, 2012 at 03:25 PM |
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Sorry if this an old thread.
I had a set of Sherman's on my buggy. They worked VERY well. Never had dramas with leaks, bad bleeds or anything else. He was very helpful and gave
me all the details for my engineer. They were engineered first go. Only work they ever needed in 7 years was a clean up and a new wheel bearing
where some water got in through the speedo cab hole, which was my fault. Motor conversion plate was also good. Not lightweight racing gear, but solid,
dependable well built stuff.
He even did me a deal on shipping when I bought stuff and sold me spares later on. He is old school and doesn't bear fools, but I found him good. I
know everyone has unhappy customers, but I was very happy.
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| posted on October 18th, 2012 at 09:13 PM |
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on the subject of studs and bolts. I just put 16 "/65/205 off a merc vito van on my 74 bay, they look great but always a but. Same stud pattern wrong
offset.I f....d up .To stop rubbing on the front sway bar i need a 8mm spacer and the same on the back to stop rubbing on the inside.If i put 8mm
spacers on front and back i just about lose all my thread. . 4 rims /4 tyres/ 4 sand blasting and painting + 4 white wall inserts already has cost a
bucket .Can i use the spacers and lengthen the studs to get full nut .Thanks john
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| posted on October 19th, 2012 at 12:10 AM |
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on the subject of studs and bolts. I just put 16 "/65/205 off a merc vito van on my 74 bay, they look great but always a but. Same stud pattern wrong
offset.I f....d up .To stop rubbing on the front sway bar i need a 8mm spacer and the same on the back to stop rubbing on the inside.If i put 8mm
spacers on front and back i just about lose all my thread. . 4 rims /4 tyres/ 4 sand blasting and painting + 4 white wall inserts already has cost a
bucket .Can i use the spacers and lengthen the studs to get full nut .Thanks john
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Spacers are illegal in Oz. Unless you can find a very friendly engineer to sign them off for you.
Only way to do it, that technically is still illegal but unless someone knew exactly what you'd done is the best way and legal in Europe and USA.
If where the centre of the steel wheel and rim are welded together has enough area to move the centre 8mm inwards then what you can do is machine the
welds off in a lathe and then heat the rim and move the centre back 8mm. You'll need a former to make sure the centre sits true with the rim and then
before re-welding you have to mount the wheel on a spare hub in a bench vice so you can use a dial guage to measure the rims runout and with use of a
block of wood and lump hammer you can adjust the rims position so have as little runout as possible around the circumference of the rim. Then tack
weld the centre in place and recheck that the runout has moved too much. Now you can seam weld the centre back onto the rim and touch the paint up and
no one will know what you've done 
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| posted on October 19th, 2012 at 09:47 AM |
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Thanks i think??? Before i bought the rims and tyres i took one to my tyre guy and i got him to put one on the front to check.I moved the steering
wheel around and he checked the tyre and said all good to buy.Next time he might take a little longer before he says right to buy.For something that
is illegal the auto shops sure sell a lot of spacers.
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