| [ Total Views: 77248 | Total Replies: 111 | Thread Id: 18694 ] |
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 |
|
|
 KruizinKombi
A.k.a.: Col
Bishop of Volkswagenism
Seriously Obsessed Cyber Dubber
Posts: 3493
Threads: 104
Registered: August 25th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Gippsland, Victoria
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Indifferent
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 12:38 PM |
|
|
Retro, I know Wes is capable of doing this himself, but I also know that he won't, purely because he is a nice bloke, so I will.
As a moderator, I am asking you to keep your narrow minded and judgmental views to yourself, and I will only ask once. This forum is open to anybody
who has an interest in VW's, regardless of what they drive, and will remain so.
Whilst you have the right to say "I do not like VW's with non-VW engines", you do not have the right to suggest that Wes is not allowed
to post here just because you don't like his choice of engine. In case I'm not being 100% clear on this: Shut up.
Kruizin Kol
|
|
|
BiX
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2499
Threads: 154
Registered: September 2nd, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 12:42 PM |
|
|
retro ur comments are out of place. U have every right not like non-vw powered vw's, but u do not have the right to personally attack someone
because of this.
Keep personal comments to ur self and just talk about the vw's.
If this was in person, i wouldn't have problem letting wes nail u for that one, i would probably hold u down!
lets play clean!!! |
|
|
Unity-28
Custom Title Time!
TOO LOW? NEVER
Posts: 1742
Threads: 146
Registered: November 20th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Somewhere in Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Tucked In nicely!
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 01:06 PM |
|
|
Dude are all the parts in a pobjoy (or any other guys motors for that matter!) made by VW, Or any of the OEM companies? No they are made by other
companies nowadays, so really, althought its works the same way a VW motor does, its not a "vw" motor! Only a pure stock motor, is truly a
VW motor. And I couldnt care less if someone drives past me in a vw powered by any make of motor, cause IM not into that sort of thing. I like my
cars low, and accesorized!
N!
|
|
|
 vanderaj
A.k.a.: Andrew van der Stock
Super Administrator
a suffusion of yellow
Posts: 3123
Threads: 438
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Colorado Springs, CO, USA
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: In the family again
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 01:09 PM |
|
|
Moderation warning
Keep it civil, or the thread is sinbinned.
Andrew
|
|
|
Gracey
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 511
Threads: 17
Registered: February 6th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Beaudesert, Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Itchy
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 01:22 PM |
|
|
Changing the subject, at what revs did HP peak and where was peak torque made ?
Andrew Grace
|
|
|
retro
Casual Dubber
story teller
Posts: 42
Threads: 4
Registered: December 8th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 01:24 PM |
|
|
Let me add
| Quote: | Originally
posted by BiX
retro ur comments are out of place. U have every right not like non-vw powered vw's, but u do not have the right to personally attack someone
because of this.
Keep personal comments to ur self and just talk about the vw's.
If this was in person, i wouldn't have problem letting wes nail u for that one, i would probably hold u down!
lets play clean!!!
|
I have nothing against non vw powered cars but please stop comparing the to vw powered cars IT IS NOT THE SAME!!!!!!!:o
|
|
|
Tazz
A.k.a.: Tazz Devil
Custom Title Time!
Old Skool
Posts: 1315
Threads: 109
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Black
Mood: facisious
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 01:40 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by vanderaj
Keep it civil, or the thread is sinbinned.
Andrew
|
Yes.... what he said...
:thumb
Tazz
1962 Type3 Squareback
1967 Type3 Fastback "Kermit"
The truth is important. It will set you free
|
|
|
MickH
A.k.a.: Michael Hutchinson
Bishop of Volkswagenism
Hairy Gutted Sloth
Posts: 3389
Threads: 29
Registered: September 6th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: TownsvilleTropical North QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Grow a brain...walls don't hit back...
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 01:48 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
man I think I am in the twilight zone, everyone is behaving so well 
keep it up guys :thumb
|
Looks like it turned to crap due to some very narrow minded people.What a shame. Looks like you spoke to soon Wes.
tssnq.com.au
|
|
|
Andy42
Insano Dub Head
Posts: 709
Threads: 47
Registered: March 13th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Airlie Beach
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: 2.5t Subi Powered
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 02:04 PM |
|
|
Man my english must be shit as I am still trying to find anywhere that someone has bagged Stan for the building of his Vw motors. Hang on I will just
read all the post again:jesus:jesus
.
|
|
|
Doug Sweetman
Veteran Volks Folk
Nil Bastardo Carborundum
Posts: 2128
Threads: 58
Registered: September 23rd, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Perth, W.A
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: sweeeeet 
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 02:09 PM |
|
|
Precisely. Everyone heres knows that stan is the man for vw engines in Oz.
Not everyone know how much they cost, but thats just a matter of education.
Me ? - I'm just jealous that I cant afford to have stan build me the big block type 4 2600 with injection that I would so dearly love
Why cant we all just be friends ?
|
|
|
Brad
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3764
Threads: 332
Registered: August 24th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SE QLD, Mt Nebo
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Manx Buggy Building
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 02:10 PM |
|
|
mmm
Way cool, 120hp that is awesome .... almost 3 times what I am getting from my stroker engine:o
|
|
|
Baja Wes
Bishop of Volkswagenism
V6 Baja Pioneer
Posts: 3119
Threads: 94
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Content
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 02:10 PM |
|
|
well I seemed to have missed all the action.
So lets see whats left. Someone implied I bagged pobjoy motors. When did I do that?
All I said was
| Quote: | hmm, maybe if I sold
my whole car I could afford a 120+HP vw motor (not pobjoy specific, any big vw shop).
|
Now I knew there are people on this forum that like to go nuts for no reason, and it is why I said not pobjoy specific. I have nothing against pobjoy
or his engines. I think his engines are great and he's doing an awesome job to get 120HP.
I was simply having a go at Craig and stirring him a bit (people that know each other do this in a friendly manner for a bit of fun you know), and
saying that I wouldn't personally ever spend that much money on a VW motor no matter who built it. I am allowed to say that you know.
The reason why I am on these forums is because I like to help people and give them advice when I can do so, and I like to think I have helped a few
people out there with my replies. I can't say that your providing the same service to the forum.
|
|
|
Andy42
Insano Dub Head
Posts: 709
Threads: 47
Registered: March 13th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Airlie Beach
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: 2.5t Subi Powered
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 02:13 PM |
|
|
hey brad you do know the accelerator is the one on the right
.
|
|
|
Brad
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3764
Threads: 332
Registered: August 24th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SE QLD, Mt Nebo
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Manx Buggy Building
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 02:15 PM |
|
|
heheheh
Wes can't build a VW engine :o:o
At least not with the power of my beast.....:P:P:P
|
|
|
Brad
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3764
Threads: 332
Registered: August 24th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SE QLD, Mt Nebo
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Manx Buggy Building
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 02:17 PM |
|
|
mmmm
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Andy42
hey brad you do know the accelerator is the one on the right
|
So let me get this straight ... you don't dyno your car at idle in neutral ??? but if I put it in gear won't it run into the wall ???
|
|
|
Baja Wes
Bishop of Volkswagenism
V6 Baja Pioneer
Posts: 3119
Threads: 94
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Content
|
| posted on February 11th, 2004 at 02:37 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Buggy Brad
Wes can't build a VW engine :o:o
At least not with the power of my beast.....:P:P:P
|
Well unfortunately I never dynoed any of my motors, but I'm sure they would beat your pretend HP figure, but not your real one.
|
|
|
Craig Torrens
A.k.a.: Craig Torrens
Scirocco Rare
6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
Posts: 8040
Threads: 347
Registered: January 10th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Time to go Salt lake racing, and actually achieve a result.
|
| posted on February 12th, 2004 at 02:31 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Gracey
Changing the subject, at what revs did HP peak and where was peak torque made ?
Andrew Grace
|
Rear wheels =121.5hp at 6000rpm
At the Flywheel= 147.8hp at 6000rpm
Torque = 700 ft lb at 4500rpm
All figures have been provided by CBB, using a Dyno Dynamic Dynometer using SHOOTOUT mode.
This represents a 29.7hp increase on Troy's "Dyno Day Result"
Results then were:
Rear wheels= 91.8 at 5800rpm
Torque= 550 Ft lb at 4400rpm
Why such a big jump ???
Mike was very concerned on the Dyno day that Troy's car was running extremely lean, so much so that he stopped the Dyno run as not to do any
damage. So Mike has corrected this problem and the true potential of the motor has been shown. Excellent engine Combo and Excellent tuning has given
this result.
This HP increase has then been confirmed by Troy's big smile after taking the car for a drive :thumb
|
|
|
lugnuts
A.k.a.: Mike
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1070
Threads: 88
Registered: August 28th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney,Castle Hill
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: semi-retiring
|
| posted on February 12th, 2004 at 03:53 PM |
|
|
Nothin better than THE BIG SMILE :P |
|
|
Gracey
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 511
Threads: 17
Registered: February 6th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Beaudesert, Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Itchy
|
| posted on February 12th, 2004 at 04:06 PM |
|
|
Thanks Craig, I thought my post got lost in those other posts.
This shows just how important correct jetting for a given combination is.
PS, I'd love to see the dyno chart.
Andrew Grace
|
|
|
Kai.A.
Fahrvergnugen
Posts: 915
Threads: 76
Registered: September 29th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Adelaide
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: dubless...
|
| posted on February 12th, 2004 at 05:19 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Craig Torrens
Torque = 700 ft lb at 4500rpm
Torque= 550 Ft lb at 4400rpm
|
umm.....there's still a definate problem with this ^ :o
the bhp figures do sound good though, and i can fully beleive that by fitting the correct jets and setting it up great will give such a power
increase.......
kai
|
|
|
Craig Torrens
A.k.a.: Craig Torrens
Scirocco Rare
6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
Posts: 8040
Threads: 347
Registered: January 10th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Time to go Salt lake racing, and actually achieve a result.
|
| posted on February 12th, 2004 at 06:25 PM |
|
|
I've asked for a Dyno sheet to be Emailed to me
I will "post " when I have it Andrew.:thumb
|
|
|
KruizinKombi
A.k.a.: Col
Bishop of Volkswagenism
Seriously Obsessed Cyber Dubber
Posts: 3493
Threads: 104
Registered: August 25th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Gippsland, Victoria
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Indifferent
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 07:39 AM |
|
|
Gotta love that torque!! :thumb
Kruizin Kol
|
|
|
bug eyed
Commited Dubber
Posts: 73
Threads: 10
Registered: April 19th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Vallaricious
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 08:38 AM |
|
|
i know stan and like him alot, but craig are you telling me that stan sold an engine that ran dangerously lean and at only 4/5 ths of it’s potential
?
I hope you tell him. And everyone else that has a steroid.
|
|
|
Baja Wes
Bishop of Volkswagenism
V6 Baja Pioneer
Posts: 3119
Threads: 94
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Content
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 09:13 AM |
|
|
The torque quoted is torque at the wheel or rollers. It is completely different to the torque at the engine, as torque is multiplied up by the gear
and diff ratios, and reduced by the gearbox efficiency.
HP is not effected by the gear ratios, only the gearbox efficiency.
Basically those torque figures mean nothing and are only comparitive to each other, as long as they were both achieved in the same gear.
|
|
|
Secoh
Fahrvergnugen
Posts: 926
Threads: 97
Registered: September 20th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Newcastle
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Rarin' to
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 09:23 AM |
|
|
if my wasser project is only going to produce power in order of 100kW at the flywheel I'm going to spit the dummy at all these people telling me
how good VW motors can go.  then I'm going to sell it and fit a
1600cc corolla motor that does 100kW STOCK. :P
If it aint broke,
Make it go faster!!  |
|
|
Gracey
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 511
Threads: 17
Registered: February 6th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Beaudesert, Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Itchy
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 01:56 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Craig Torrens
I've asked for a Dyno sheet to be Emailed to me
I will "post " when I have it Andrew.:thumb
|
Thanks Craig.
|
|
|
Gracey
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 511
Threads: 17
Registered: February 6th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Beaudesert, Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Itchy
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 02:12 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by bug eyed
i know stan and like him alot, but craig are you telling me that stan sold an engine that ran dangerously lean and at only 4/5 ths of it’s potential
?
I hope you tell him. And everyone else that has a steroid.
|
Are you sugesting Stan tunes every motor that he builds? Sure he can give recomendations but final tune is dicated by many factors ie. carbs,
manifolds, exhaust, muffler, etc. even the car its going in has an effect.
Andrew Grace
|
|
|
Craig Torrens
A.k.a.: Craig Torrens
Scirocco Rare
6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
Posts: 8040
Threads: 347
Registered: January 10th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Time to go Salt lake racing, and actually achieve a result.
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 02:28 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by bug eyed
i know stan and like him alot, but craig are you telling me that stan sold an engine that ran dangerously lean and at only 4/5 ths of it’s
potential ?
I hope you tell him. And everyone else that has a steroid.
|
the owner had changed the Jets from how it was sold.
You will have no probs if you run the jets that Stan has in the carbs when sold new. This is what I have done and I had 111hp. The Dyno tune will
"fine tune" the individual motor for its best HP. In this case about 120hp for the steroids combo. So I guess I should get about an extra
10hp if I had a dyno tune.
|
|
|
Craig Torrens
A.k.a.: Craig Torrens
Scirocco Rare
6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
Posts: 8040
Threads: 347
Registered: January 10th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Time to go Salt lake racing, and actually achieve a result.
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 02:33 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
The torque quoted is torque at the wheel or rollers. It is completely different to the torque at the engine, as torque is multiplied up by the gear
and diff ratios, and reduced by the gearbox efficiency.
HP is not effected by the gear ratios, only the gearbox efficiency.
Basically those torque figures mean nothing and are only comparitive to each other, as long as they were both achieved in the same gear.
|
Thanks Wes......should I remove this figure from the post ?
If I get the gear ratio's and tyre size etc can you then work back to find the motor's torque ? or is this just a ratio to HP?
|
|
|
HotRodMatt
Wolfsburg Elder
If it's old or rare - cut it!
Posts: 3616
Threads: 361
Registered: September 3rd, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: West of Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 04:24 PM |
|
|
The dyno can provide flywheel torque and HP. With the ratios etc.
|
|
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 |
