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| posted on August 16th, 2005 at 11:47 AM |
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Glad to hear you bit your tougne hope it did not bled.
Marc
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| posted on October 22nd, 2005 at 12:21 PM |
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is a 010 the older style mech adance dissy???
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| posted on October 23rd, 2005 at 09:02 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Ellabella
is a 010 the older style mech adance dissy???
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my understanding is that the 010 is an aftermarket dissy that was similar to the 009, but a different advance curve - usually better suited to the Air
cooled engines. I believe that they have not been available for some time now and this is why everyone is using 009's.
Feel free to correct me if this isn't correct....
R 
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| posted on October 25th, 2005 at 09:33 PM |
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Interesting..
Both my mechanic (one of the most well known VW mechanics in tassie), and the guy i bought the fastback wreck from, were trying to convince me i
should be running a 009.
I've been stubborn, saying "If thats how it was designed, and how it should be, then why change it"
I felt like the idiot, now i feel like the smart one!
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| posted on October 27th, 2005 at 02:24 PM |
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I tend to agree with you Jo_tas - the factory did things for a reason, and whilst new technology and research can make improvements, I'm not certain
that the 009 is always an improvement.
Here is an interesting story though: My Brother recently changed my Grandmothers '68 Beetle from a vac/mech dissy to a 009 as he was having major
problems with the engine pinging (its a fairly new 1600 engine now). This change cured the pinging problem, but now it wont idle smoothly when cold
(something that I have noticed does happen when running a 009)....so perhaps the 009 does have its place on some engines.... I was particularly
interesed in the smaller engines (1200's) as this is what I have in my '63.
In your situation; if your vac/mech dissy is still working OK, leave it alone (if it aint broke....)
R
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| posted on October 27th, 2005 at 09:51 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by VWCOOL
I don't think anyone has mentioned compression ratios yet 
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You jokers don't really think a 009 will work on a stocker... or do you?
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| posted on October 27th, 2005 at 10:18 PM |
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Well there was nothing at all wrong with my distributor.. but they were still telling me i should have a 009... 
And when the disitributor that came with the car (factory vacuum/mech advance) died due to the plate that the point screw to coming loose, i went out
of my way and got one interstate from a very generous person from this board, free of charge. (name escapes me now.. sorry if you know who you
are!)
Swapped over a few bits from my distributor, cleaned it all up, and now it runs very well, hasn't had a flat spot in the last 6-8 months and idles
very smoothly, even when cold!
When we were going for a test run even my mechanic (a 009 man) was surprised at how much power it had for a stock 1600! Pulls very well when crusing
along at 60mph and go to overtake.. can push you back in the seat and rush up to 70mph and beyond.. was passing someone the other day on a flat
section of a 2 lane highway and before i knew it i was doing around 80mph.. lol..
009 on stock engines? WHY??? we're always praising those great german engineers.. so why not give them some credit and use what they intended for
these engines!!
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| posted on October 28th, 2005 at 06:38 AM |
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The "009 mechanic" probably wanted your old vac dizzy for himself
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| posted on October 28th, 2005 at 03:10 PM |
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Well ive recently bought a new 1600TP import engine, whilst running a 009. There is a very noticeable flat spot off idle up to about 2200rpm. I had
to return it to the mechanic about 3 times till it was driveable. Even then there was a noticable dull zone. I am thinking of purchasing a SVDA
dizzy this weekend, so if i do, ill let you all know the difference it makes. (hopefully good)
I can do skids.
In the Wet.
On Oily surfaces.
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| posted on October 31st, 2005 at 09:17 AM |
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I went and splurged $190 on the SVDA dizzy, and what a difference it makes.
Firstly, The engine is new and mostly stock, with completely rebuilt carbs. The only change is a slightly longer duration cam, but it is very very
mild. After putting the new dizzy in and enjoying the experience of trying to statically time it without a notch on the dist rim, i managed to get it
close enough. Anyway, i went for a drive and the difference was very noticable. Driveability A+++++. No flat spot at all and i can pull hills from
a lower RPM a lot easier. I will attempt to time it more accurately this week but from what i have seen so far, i am very happy with my purchase!
(P.S Anyone got any ideas on how to statically time a dist with no markings on the dist rim???)  )
I know the answer will make me feel suitably stupid.
I can do skids.
In the Wet.
On Oily surfaces.
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| posted on November 2nd, 2005 at 12:51 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 72FASTY
I went and splurged $190 on the SVDA dizzy, and what a difference it makes.
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...where did you purchase that from as I wouldn't mind a new one!
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Firstly, The engine is new and mostly stock, with completely rebuilt carbs. The only change is a slightly longer duration cam, but it is very very
mild. After putting the new dizzy in and enjoying the experience of trying to statically time it without a notch on the dist rim, i managed to get it
close enough. Anyway, i went for a drive and the difference was very noticable. Driveability A+++++. No flat spot at all and i can pull hills from
a lower RPM a lot easier. I will attempt to time it more accurately this week but from what i have seen so far, i am very happy with my purchase!
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Thats the exact same result as my 1200 in my '63 - drove it through the mountains behind the Gold Coast on Sunday (the first time it has not done
highway work in a long time) and I was amazed - more torque from much lower in the rev range - only had to shift back to 2nd gear twice all day (both
times when I had to slow going uphill for a 1600cc Beetle fitted with a 009!  )
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(P.S Anyone got any ideas on how to statically time a dist with no markings on the dist rim???) )
I know the answer will make me feel suitably stupid.
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I'm going to answer this question with the little knowledge that I have (I am not a mechanic - only an enthusiast that does all his own work) - if
anyone else would like to add to or correct what I have written - please do....
The mark on the distributor rim is the No 1 cylinder mark...if it isn't there, then there is not much you can do about it (it shouldn't make any
difference as long as you get the ignition leads in the correct order (from what I have read))
Turn the engine over until it is at TDC on cylinder No 1 (the mark on the pully is at the top and in line with the centre join in the block), then
turn it anti-clockwise until it lines up with the left hand side of the 'block' that is on the top of the case - this will give you about 7 degrees
advance (this is where I set all my engines and it works fine for me - some people set the engines at 0 deg, but I find that my car will be sluggish
if set at 0 deg - use a little trial and error to work out what works for your engine. Just make sure that it doesn't ping!)
OK, switch your ignition on (warning lights on, but engine not running) and take your trusty 12 volt test lamp and connect one end to a ground point
and touch the probe to the coil terminal that the points wire is connected to. Hopefully the light should be off, however if it isn't, rotate the
distributor anti-clockwise until it is (and then a little further).
Now, with the test lamp still connected slowly turn the distributor clockwise. Stop when (as soon as) the test lamp illuminates. Tighten the
distributor clamp (ensuring that the distributor does not turn as you tighten the clamp) - Your engine is now statically set at 7 degrees advance.
Does this help? I can post pics (like a how to) if it would make it clearer...
R
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| posted on November 2nd, 2005 at 02:11 PM |
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hey rossco,
I got mine from Micks Motors in brissy. I think it was $192.50 inc GST.
That sounds like what i was thinking about doing the other day re: timing it. However, i went out and purchased a timing strobe, and set it to around
30 at full advance. It feels a tiny bit more sluggish than what it was before i timed it properely (it was waaaaaay too advanced), so i might go a
tiny bit further and see how that goes. As youve probably read elsewhere, the general consensus among VW gods seems to be that you should time them
at full advance (3500prm ish) then let the static advacne fall where it may (typically 5-10 degrees). Experimenting with different advances will give
me the best result no doubt.
Still poo's all over the 009 tho!
I can do skids.
In the Wet.
On Oily surfaces.
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| posted on November 4th, 2005 at 08:06 AM |
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Wow... talk about a good read! Why haven't I looked in this section earlier?
I'm wanting electronic ignition in my Beetle, it has a vac-advance dizzy. Wouldn't go near a 009, even more so after reading this thread! But I'm
sure with tuning etc, they'd work good.
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| posted on November 4th, 2005 at 11:04 AM |
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Mick motors hey, looks like I had better add a new one to my list of stuff to get from them next time I am up there!
PBB, the 009 definatly does have its place in the VW world, just not in stock standard engines (in my opinion ) - the idea of going to an electronic ignition is a good one - no points = one less thing to adjust/wear
out/replace. I would go to an electronic ignition module too, but as far as I know they don't make them for 6 volt cars (and my Baja is EFI with
full engine management - in other words, the engine computer controls the spark timing!)
It's interesting to see that I am not the only person that had just been 'putting-up' with the 009 distributors....
Cheers all,
R
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| posted on November 4th, 2005 at 11:22 AM |
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I put the SVDA I had in the 1600TP but sadly the dissy was not much good, The shaft moves up and down by about 15 mm and does not return all the way
back after advancing. I put it in anyway and the BAJA pinged really bad and ran s%$t House so I will have to save up to buy a new SVDA, because I like
the idea of duel advance and reading whats happened in this thread seems the way to go.
Marc
[ Edited on 4-11-05 by Midlife crisis ]
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