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Pretty surprised no one has suggested the flintstones method yet. Hehe
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I could have sworn my old 59 beetles headlights were being beamed by two tiny pterydacyils holding candles, when running on 6volt:P
BTW....pretty lively bunch of ANZAC cookies on this group... liikidaaahlot
so what happens next?...... does the oil $$$ market squeeeze, while the oil companies conspire and keep the technology to themselves until the last
minute for the sake of control of their market?..... Its hard to imagine an extreme situation (not that war on Iraq for oil aint extreme) where
everyone has to take extreme measures.... western civilisation is too dependant, and maintains too much market control (I think) to ALLOW it to
happen.... so the alternative fuel situation maintains a muddy future while the market hangs on...
Its like we are being cornered no matter what the rhetoric from both sides suggests.... i.e. everyone agrees that we don't wont to give up our
fuel....which hopefully drives the solution.... says me in optimistic puppy terms:P
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And bless your oily cotton socks !!!!
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| Quote: | :o Yeah.....right
.....reminds me of....."Trust me I am a politician!":jesus
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Well I don't see the conspiracy theorists and general pessimists coming up with any bright idea's, so until you do your in the hands of those that
are qualified to sort out the problems.
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wes any chance of engineers comming up with an "efficient" combustion engine in the near future
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humans did without oil b4 and they will again we are just soo much softer now |
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wes any chance of engineers comming up with an "efficient" combustion engine in the near future
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Probably, but noise is inefficiency too, and we like our engines to sound cool 
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"Well I don't see the conspiracy theorists and general pessimists coming up with any bright idea's, so until you do your in the hands of those that
are qualified to sort out the problems. "
GOD HELP US
Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
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WHO????:alien
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| posted on April 24th, 2006 at 09:55 PM |
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wes any chance of engineers comming up with an "efficient" combustion engine in the near future
old mates air pumper at melb markets seems to be the go for me:thumb
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search "quasiturbine" engines. Very interesting. Epecially the continous combustion idea. It's like a improved rotary.
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| posted on April 24th, 2006 at 09:58 PM |
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US--------------the poor down trodden ,those whose lives are totally dependant upon the god like creatures masquerading throught the civilised world
as engineers, without whom nobody could function nor find a solution to life's daily problems..
let us all kneel before the hallowed and give thanks to those exhaulted beings::puke
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| posted on April 24th, 2006 at 11:22 PM |
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no matter how hard you try to show sarcasm on an internet forum, even with emoticons, there's always people that think your serious :duh
as for the pessimist vs optimist thing...
A pessimist thinks the glass is half empty
An optimist thinks the glass is half full
An engineer thinks the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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aggressively put DOUBLECAB, true enough.... I would add though......Its easy to be right in principal, and then dangerous to be self righteous....
being alternative I think also means making strong positive choices.... being open and realistic with what we got, and being inclusive of it all, not
a victim........ rejecting and developing conspiracy theories only breeds paranoia......
fight ignorance the smart way
it is all a mess, but count me in!
the revolution is only a t-shirt away........ Billy Bragg
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The first part of that I was serious, the second part I didn't think required an emoticon because I didn't think it needed it. Doug didn't think it
needed it either.
99% of the people know what I meant, the other 1% I don't give a sh*t about :P
and remember...
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win your still retarded.
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heh heh heh... nothing like the price of fuel or politics to get ppl fired up. God help us when you have both. Oh, crap, I mentioned God, thats
religion too !!!!! arrghhh.
So, I've been away for a few hours and a few questions seriously asked need answering (thanks Amazer);
1) I believe (I dont know though I could find out if you need to know) that to run pure ethanol the figure is something like 200% of equivalent petrol
consumption. Thats just a ball park, dont quote me on that please.
2) E10 shouldnt be a huge amount different in consumption than straight ULP. Figure in the 5 - 10% range I guess.
3) Yes, and no, the price gap should track logically like that, but its far more likely to be a case of E10 = ULP - 8c sort of arrangment - very
similar to the way that Ultimate is priced.
4). Dont know about the tax implications of biofuels, but one thing you can guarantee is that the Govt of the day wont miss out on tax $$$.
I much prefer the 'all praise the engineers' post than the ' you're digging a hole' post. Shows the sense of humour that you need to get by in
this high priced world
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That is classic!!!
[applause]
Anywho, maybe some constructive criticism would be the go for all us here.
Unless your all in a mad panic.
Engineers today have been the ones to develope so many helpful useful items, like pace makers, many other medical marvels, possibly the breast implant
and other inventions useful to greatly assisting humankind.
maybe a large vw club around here could do their own little investigations with alternate fuels if everyone puts in a dime. Play with flammable
chemicals in the shopping centres and other places that appear relatively cheap. Perhaps chemicals like metho, not sure how much that costs, but if
cheap, then yeah.
I dunno. But this crazy criticism is going no where in this thread. Why can't we all be friends ?
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The only good (productive, useful) engineer is one that thinks he's brilliant. The old FIGJAM philosophy. If he didn't think his own ideas were
better than everyone elses, he wouldn't do anything about them.
That said... leaving our problems to people that are qualified to deal with them won't help much. Qualification doesn't mean enthusiasm. There are
far more "unqualified" people doing good with what they know than there are qualified ones.
On the original topic, there are an amazing number of alternatives to smelly old petrol. I'm working on a few myself. Wood gasifiers have more to
offer than they're given credit for, especially with a bit of innovation and refinement. And the old internal combustion engine has a few more useful
years left in it, with some rethinking of the basic design (of most). Another thing I'm working on.
My father has just built a jet turbine motor out of an old truck turbo, simply for the hell of it, but I'm not about to suggest we all go to jet
powered cars, this thing is not the most fuel efficient motor I've seen, not by a long shot. But she is better on the gas than most home builts (I
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yes, back to the original topic.
I'll let people know the key words they should be looking for on the net is "peak oil". There is much debate as to whether we have reached peak oil
or not.
Peak oil is basically when we pass the half-way point. Oil reserves start off easy to get the oil out of the ground. There is heaps of pressure at the
start, and then that pressure drops and you have to pump it out.
Some very high ranking oil industry figures have come out and said we have reached peaked oil, others say they don't know what they talking about.
The problem is there is no definitive data on what the oil reserves in the world are like, because most of them are in the middle east and they are
secretive and wouldn't tell you whether they had heaps or were about to run out.
And because of our increase in oil usage over the years, the last half will last a much shorter time than the first half. So if the first half lasted
120yrs, the last half will only last 30yrs. And the last half will get steadily more expensive.
If you want to read more there are heaps of websites out there. Some predictions are more apocoliptic than others. like this one predicting blackouts
rather soon;
from this site http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
And if we do start running out that quickly, how we power our vehicles will be the least of our worries.
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we should go nuclear.
(nomex undies on my head)
I think the waste from fossil fuel is as dangerous as nuclear waste, its just a lot less concentrated. Just dont cheap out on the production.
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nuclear involves the use of fission to create heat, to pressurise water vapour to turn turbines. Just like the old steam engines, except greater heat.
Huge safety measures would need to be taken, you could imagine how drastic i crash could be. radioactive crap flying everywhere, taking thousands to
millions of yrs to disappear, and the pressurised steam would just pressure cook everyone in the car. It may be heavily armoured, but remember
Murphy's law.
Cheapest alternative for everyone would be to find another fuel, which would allow everyone to use the technology, well most of that, that we already
ahve today.
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BioDiesel
Naturally grown Oils eg: Palm Oil
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i saw a doco once on an inner city bus which was being trialed running on hydrogen.
it effectively ran on extracting the hydrogen from water if my memory serves correctly?
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Makes you wonder though how far the steam engine would have developed had the internal combustion engine not been invented?
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Yeah. it would be interesting.
IF you use hydrogen, when it combusts, mixing back with oxygen, it becomes H20 again, IE: back into water where the hydrogen can be obtained via
electrolysis.
The only problem is (That i foresee), it requires a HELL of alot of electrical energy to separate ALOT of hydrogen and oxygen gas from water, even
with an electrolyte in the water to assist. Question is, where do we get this energy then to separate the hydrogen fuel from water?
Hence why, if you focus on fuels obtained from organic, renewable resources, like ethanol or biofuel, it uses the sun's energy to grow those plants.
Rather than energy from power stations or electricity or wateva. IE ethanol from sugar cane, with sugars inside grown with the energy of the sun, then
fermented with yeast.
This makes it easier. You could try useing hte sun's energy to obtain hydrogen, but you most likely be using solar power cells. best to leave it up
to renewable nature, for ease.
I dunno, i'm an architectural student, not a chemical engineer. Hehe.
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Your motor overheats and seizes!
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Maybe a silly question, but can VeeDubs be converted to run on gas?
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heard it been done before.
LPG very cheap per litre. But apparently with engines, they chew up that fuel quicker. IE: fuel consumption increased, price decreased.
with standard fuel: fuel consumption usual, price increased. Kinda level out, a bit. But LPG's prices are WAY cheaper.
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