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| posted on August 17th, 2006 at 08:37 AM |
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Wow, What a debate!
Have a look at these two cars.........
Both were built by me and I call them both rats, because I built them.
We shouldn't be judging other peoples rides,
just respect that they are doing what they think is cool.
We are a fairly minimalist group in the VW scene the last thing we need is division in the ranks!
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:kiss
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| posted on August 17th, 2006 at 09:00 AM |
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posted by ren
Great to hear that this is going to be a category in WA.
I agree with what crewcabconnection said, but think that some deliberately-made rats can be very cool too! Obviously a 'real' rat will take away
peoples choice honours, but let's not hate on the fake rats, or any subculture within the scene for that matter.
VWCOOL - if it's not your thing forget it, no need to try to patronise those who are in love with all things rat.
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Uh huh... Ok, good luck with the judging! Will you be checking the owner's undies to make sure they're wearing boxers and not Bonds?!
Or will you be happy to judge just the car in front of them, which is what the WA fellers are attempting to do?
Pay your debts, CxxT
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posted by squizy
One thing not mentioned, is that a rat does not have fibreglass guards.
Rats are about being minimalist.....getting the suspension, brakes and drivetrain strong to handle the power of the big bucks motor - all wrapped up
in a sleeper exterior.
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May I beg to differ - that's a Cal. Or a GL. A rat comes from a shed in its 'purest' form. Big engine or not.
If someone wants to wrap his whole life/fashion/attitude around that, then fine. But that can't be judged at a car show!
Pay your debts, CxxT
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From what I have noticed of the whole VW rat ride sceen, it is more than the car, usually an overall attitude of the individual, almost anti
establishment. It ia also apparent it is more about good times, and not about judging, trophies or egos. I have even rread some sites that suggest
that in the US VW scene it was born out of being people over the mainstream US VW scene, shiny paint, and judging. One thing is for certain, it has
bred new life and ways of thinking into a car culture that has been pretty stagnent for years. Any show regular will attest to this based on the same
cars that enter the shows year on year without change. A real rat ride owner wouldnt really care for a tropy or to be judged.
Here is the Hood Ride Story.
HoodRide was created not off of a traditional business model, but off an idea for a better car community. I can't speak for everyone, but I feel a
lack of respect for one another when it comes to anything car related. No longer will I put up with ego's, the "better than you" attitude, the
disrespect, the put downs, the car show judges, the arrogant magazines, etc. Cars were first ment to be functional and second to be stylish. Who
decided cars were first meant to be status and second to be fun and exciting? HoodRides are first and always unique, loved, driven, and fun. If you
feel the same, you're in the right place. You are NOT your car, you're just the dumbass who's in love with it!
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| posted on August 17th, 2006 at 09:09 AM |
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So if someone drags an oval out of a dam, slams it and drives it everyday to work, regardless of the crazy looks it gets, from other motorists, its
not a pure rat, cause it didnt come from a shed. You are confused.
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So if someone drags an oval out of a dam, slams it and drives it everyday to work, regardless of the crazy looks it gets, from other motorists, its
not a pure rat, cause it didnt come from a shed. You are confused.
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LOL true true or a padock its not a rat if it comes from out side:duh and hertz there is such things as water rats LOL ive seen
the tv show
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| posted on August 17th, 2006 at 09:21 AM |
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koolkarmas dapper rat got better shine than most rats
and his belly dose scrap the ground.
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| posted on August 17th, 2006 at 09:32 AM |
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i think it has 2 be a special car " with a sertain look already" wether that be rust or just some old nana has banged it up for 40 years. and the
only rule i think the older the car the beter it is i think its a hard thing to coment on . as for the hot rod rats thats a diffrent thing all 2
gether thay are like i read b4 a 30's style car done in the 50's this is a 50'-60's cars done in 2000+ the idear's of cars have changed a lot
with plastic fantastic but thay all have a place .so sit back mix up some stop rust and do your own thing thats my 2c worth let the people work it out
on the day :thumb:thumb:thumb
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So when does a vn Crummydore become a rat?
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| posted on August 17th, 2006 at 11:02 AM |
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squashed rat 
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i feel ill
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One man's junk...
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| posted on August 19th, 2006 at 08:53 PM |
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RAT DOES NOT COME FROM A BARN!
As has already been said,
RAT comes from the early HOT ROD days 40s & 50s
when they would spend their money on the mechanicals for racing and power ,not the paint job.
So what happened is that a whole series of rusty ,primered HOT RODS where getting around with performance and wearing this mean dirty LOOK!
The idear was" so what if it looks ugly, I'm hear to race!"
Then what happened is a Magasine published an artical on this growing trend and coined the saying ROD RAT.
The hot rod seen hated the name, and desiped the thought that there cars could be called RATS!
The name stuck and contributed to this growing culture of the RAT LOOK.Well its no surprise that volkswagon ,generating from this period and a long
association with drag racing has welcomed this new culture.
Couple off things we do learn though from this history lesson is that a true rat has good mechanicals and has a strong leaning in the hot rod
scene.
Another thing which is interesting is that a rat is not a rust peice of crap pulled out of a barn.
A Rat has to be created,restored, and evolved to make a true elements of a rat.
Anyone who loves rat has to have an artistic side,its art based.
Maybe if you don't like RATS, you might need to look for your creative side and then your appreciation will grow.
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| posted on August 19th, 2006 at 10:56 PM |
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Shed/Barn/Carport/Paddock/Garage/Workshop etc.,
Art comes from the SOUL, not any other above. Quasi is right on the money.
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My 2c worth......
a rat for my money is a hot rod built by someone who isnt worried too much about the appearance. The point being that they didnt worry about the
finish, and if they had more Time or Money probably would have had a schmick paint job, but its low on the list of priorities. Built by guys more
concerned about mechanical quality than finish.
Now most of these "rat" owners these days are the excact opposite, they are only concerned about appearance!!
And whats with worshipping rust? :jesus
I think calling your car a rat is used by some people as a cop out because they have no talent or skill to build a decent car
testing 1 2 3...
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| posted on August 24th, 2006 at 03:29 PM |
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imho only.
Seems to me there are two different kinds of Rats in the VW scene.
1. Cars like Hertz, Humpty's, caffienepusher's (sadly now smashed) and VWfools old oval. Old, rough on the outside and low with period performance
parts and or accessories. I'd tend to call these the "rats". Resto custom with rust.
2. Then there are the Rods. Greedy's, stoppa's and a number of other fenderless VWs in the hotrod style.
They are not the same although some things do overlap. For instance, Stoppa's car could really be more classed as a custom with all the body and
chassis mods. But then what about some of the rats with bags and heavily narrowed beams? They are heavily customized too. Some of those sorts of mods
also take as much work as a chop job to get right.
I think judging them should be done the same way it is for other show cars. Judges are looking for attention to detail, a new idea or approach, a
unifying concept or theme, and clever engineering. It's how they stand up to that scrutiny that tells you how good they are. But as many of you say,
at the end of the day it comes down to personal tastes. Clubs are just large groups of people with similar tastes and interests. If you think they
have a good grasp of where you are coming from with your rat or rod, then enter and let the club judges judge your car. You might pick up some good
pointers about how to improve it. If you don't think they will understand, don't enter and be happy with the car because it's your car. If you are
trying to make a statement and know you are going against the grain, don't expect to win, just do it to broaden others horizons. 
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yah what he said and so artfully sure wouldn't like getting to a verbal stoush with ya but it would probably nbe a pleasure to listern to
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| posted on August 25th, 2006 at 11:43 PM |
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thanks pete my car was always safety first good brakes tyres lowered but safe suspension ratty on top but engineered below as i have always built my
cars .no sense going hard if you cant stop! make way for the new ghia super well engineered with rattier than ever top going a new direction with it
doing a minimal thing rather than the over accesorised angle .stay tuned folks long live the rats......
A candy coloured clown they called the sandman tip toes through my room every night just to sprinkle stardust on my pillow go to sleep everything will
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I see a true rat as being a fully roadworthy vehicle that remains unrestored on the outside.... not grossly abused and neglected and done shoddy...
but with its fair share of dings and scratches and texture, and with the only bodywork done being that which is necessary to prevent the spread of
cancer, with the majority of the attention paid to the mechanicals, as per Cafeeinepusherchris' philosophy. More or less my idea of a true rat is a vehicle with the minmum ammount of time and money spent on it to
maintain it to a high standard of roadworthiness.
As somebody or another said... you can't get home on chrome.
I would call CPM's sadly departed bug and the fish's bus in it's present state good examples of a rat (plenty will disagree i'm sure so feel free
to interject but keep it nice)... ugly but not overly rusty and mechanically perfect 
I dont personally think flash rims or having the car dropped on it's guts are entirely necessary to qualify a car as a rat either... but they dont
make it not one, however I think this might be where the term rat-rod seems to come into play... when enhancements are made to the vehicle from stock,
but appearance still takes low priority. Unless however such "enhancements" are made to a rusty bogged to the teeth heap of shit which is barely
clinging to life... that is not a rat but a polished turd! :duh
I see ride's like kombibob's splitty, and to a small extent the SSB bug as being relatively good examples of rat-rods, rather than pure rats.
Really tho, I thinking asking somebody to define a rat is like asking "how long is a piece of string?".... there are no clearly defined
boundaries... however as many have said already, there is a big difference between a well-maintained p[roper rat and just a plain old heap of shit
that somebody is trying to pass off as a rat so they can look cool or get away with not fixing rust. :roll:
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Defined by the number of rat nests found while cleaning.
So far, the '57 'Rat' project has unearthed 4, the biggest containing 20 peach seeds lining the nest.
A Rat winner must also keep and display theses nests at shows for authenticity.
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| posted on August 28th, 2006 at 02:21 PM |
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Now we're getting somewhere. There's your measuring stick. Of course!!
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On the whole I would agree with most of what has been said here, but the truth be known, it is very hard to define a RAT.... But in the context of the
VW scene and the HOODRIDE philosophy (which is not the same as RAT by the way), you would have to say that the car should be in mostly OG paint, but
well (read: naturally) aged resprays are acceptable, period accessories (performance or luxury) are a bonus, preferably slammed, narrowed is good, No
bling at all!, earlier the better (60's or earlier IMHO), upgraded running gear is ok, though not nessassary. The car must exude a certain hotrod
attitude, be a little anti-establishment, fairly straight and solid, though small dents are acceptable, maybe a little rusty, though not a shit pile.
No fibre glass (unless its period parts like a Kamei spoiler or a EMPI/FAT Performance engine cover), not shitty 80's looking body kits. No chop job
convertibles and not 'custom' body mods. Though it can be styled along a theme like retro racer style, but the OG thing is the best option. If you
take my car as an example, it is a little out of the ordinary. It has story, I bought from the OG owners and it sat in a carport since 1975. The paint
is OG, its never been smashed, there are few dings, it is coverd in light body rust, but no holes, it has all the OG fittings, guards, chrome, glass,
doors and running boards. It has most of the OG interior (though I don't have correct front seats ), but it has period correct race seats and performance interior parts. Underneath my car is a little different than most
other... I have a completely rebuilt undercarriage with 4 wheel disc brakes, 205 PCD raders, 4" narrowed adjustable beam & drop spindles, currently a
close ratio Swingaxle transaxle and mild 1776 built in the old school cal-look style with hot-rod mixed in.... And it is VERY low in the best pan
scraping tradition.
So I guess its a mix of a lot of styles, but to me its more hot-rod mixed with old school pre-cal-look style, with a little resto-cal thrown in and
slammed in the Hoodride tradition..... Now how the hell are you gonna pidgeon hole that?
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