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posted on January 28th, 2009 at 01:02 PM
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I understand a few people pay 3 regos, i personally pay more than that but it doesnt excuse the fact that no one on a pushbike pays rego which is what
i was originally stating.
on another note, if you never yelled something at someone on the side of the road before then you are either not being honest or you have missed a
really good laugh, egging or use of water blasters is also a lot of fun, i know many people have at some stage of their teenage years,of course that
was many years ago now
ive got the scars on my body from dick heads with this attitude trying to prove that they own the road.
as for harding up how about you spending some time in an active combat zone for more than a couple of hours. i know i did 55 days on a fifty meter war
ship with forty other people.
btw just about to go for my ride so we shall see.
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posted on January 28th, 2009 at 01:05 PM
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fellas, when i say harden up i mean dont take things to heart, if someone yells at you it goes in one ear and out the other, whats the use in taking
it personal, doesnt do anygood, ive been abused as well, who cares, give it back or ignore it, thats what i mean about hardening up
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posted on January 28th, 2009 at 01:10 PM
im not saying im proud - just some stupid things we did when we were younger - no knowledge of consequence.
I drive far more conservative now aswell - the p plater days i was invincible - i had a stock 1500 69 bug and threw it all over the place, especially
in the wet - could of gone much worse for me.
Problem is when the young idiots don't grow up. That can become as issue.
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posted on January 28th, 2009 at 06:42 PM
Cyclists have a legal right to be in the lane on the road, and they have a legal right to go to the front of the line at a set of lights...
Thats the law, seek to change the law if you dont like it, or drive elsewhere, as intimidating a cyclist or driving like a knob is breaking the
law...
I encounter drivers from 2 different states that have no idea about the road rules or how to drive, eg: driving in the right hand lane, whats with
that? Isnt it taught up north and down south to stay left?
Or stopping, changing lanes, turning without indicating?
And parking nose in when its reverse in parking...
Anyone who has ever been to Byron has seen a car from another state parked like that... haha only ever 2 states...
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posted on January 29th, 2009 at 06:52 AM
i didn't know they had a legal right to go to the front of the lights - there is no road rule awareness in regards to bike riding, hard to know.
That is a stupid law and easily frustrating to many motorists - it should be changed.
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Cyclists have a legal right to be in the lane on the road, and they have a legal right to go to the front of the line at a set of lights...
Thats the law, seek to change the law if you dont like it, or drive elsewhere, as intimidating a cyclist or driving like a knob is breaking the
law...
I encounter drivers from 2 different states that have no idea about the road rules or how to drive, eg: driving in the right hand lane, whats with
that? Isnt it taught up north and down south to stay left?
Or stopping, changing lanes, turning without indicating?
And parking nose in when its reverse in parking...
Anyone who has ever been to Byron has seen a car from another state parked like that... haha only ever 2 states...
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posted on January 29th, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I was waiting at a T intersection the other week, and saw a cyclist coming. So I gave way to them, because that's the rule. Plus I didn't want a
cyclist in my side door. What did they do? Turned left without indicating their intention to turn, whilst I sat their waiting for them. I enjoyed my
right to yell at the tosser because of his inaction.
I will also yell at the tossers who ride two abreast on Pennant Hills Road in peak hour.
I will also yell at the tosser on his recumbant cycle who was wobbling all over Mona Vale Rd, straddled his "bike" and walked it to the front of the
traffic queue, and then wobbled away in front of the traffic.
I will however, not pull in front of cyclists when I'm turning left, and instead hang back until my corner comes.
I will also, give them space when there is a pack riding up and down the Pacific Hwy.
So...the moral? Once all cyclists actually "get it", and are also courteous and contientious as well, then they will get my respect. Those that ARE,
Do, those that AREN'T, Don't. Simple.
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posted on January 29th, 2009 at 05:16 PM
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Its actually legal to ride two abreast in NSW...
Well aware of the legalities of it Bruce, but just because it's legal, doesn't make it right or responsible cycling.
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posted on January 29th, 2009 at 06:58 PM
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Its actually legal to ride two abreast in NSW...
Well aware of the legalities of it Bruce, but just because it's legal, doesn't make it right or responsible cycling.
Actually it does...
Surely obeying the law, whether we like it or not is right and responsible...
I agree with you squiz, some cyclists are knobs and ruin it for everyone... but if your within the law, then the driver needs to get over it...
If you wanna be treated fairly, you gotta play fairly...
Most cyclists i know would happily pay a rego system, but there isnt one. Most of the time, most of them obey the law, unfortunately the law pisses
some drivers off...
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posted on January 29th, 2009 at 07:35 PM
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There is always going to be knobs, in cars, on bikes, on surfboards, at the pub...
Its actually legal to ride two abreast in NSW...
If cyclists want to be treated within the law, they need to obey it, indicating especially...
I agree witht he last line especially.
As for 2 abreast. I prefer it. When they are on the edge of the road most cars just swerve past. When they are 2 abreast at least cars have to
overtake properly then...
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posted on January 29th, 2009 at 07:56 PM
If you click on the rta link that rose posted,it states that you can ride 2 abreast???
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posted on January 29th, 2009 at 08:36 PM
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^ fair enough.
recumbants should be blown up.
LOL.....very Christian Pete..
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posted on January 30th, 2009 at 01:23 PM
I have read all the above comments with some interest. I am in my early 40’s now, and have cycled probably over 100 000 kms on mostly Brisbane/SEQ
roads, as well as held a car licence since I was 17.
My cycling has covered the gamut of BMX etc as a kid, to broke uni student cycling, a few triathlons (when Noosa Tri had 2-300 participants, not
2-3000) eventually leading to road racing through my 20’s. Kids stopped all that by 30, and now I just commute 2-3 times a week (about 12k each
way) and do some weekend rides/charity rides, typically around the 50-100k mark.
As above, I’ve held a car licence since 17 so I see it from both sides. I live near the esplanade at Wynnum/Manly, which is a common destination
for cyclists of all persuasions in Brisbane.
My general observations from my experiences, in a general rambling order of no significance;
• Most complaints about ‘other road-users’ seem to stem from the largest group ie car drivers. There is a basic human trait to pick on minority
groups, so therefore to a greater or lesser extent all cyclists/truck drivers/4WD owners/non car-drivers are a mob of lunatics who should be banned
and locked up for life. Most people think this way to a certain extent, only a few actually talk or act on it.
• I have never had a problem with truck drivers, despite their size. My work is in an industrial area near Brisbanes port, so I do see a lot of
trucks.
• I have had relatively few cases of abuse/ things being thrown at me etc. Most common is some 18 yo bunch of yobs showing off yelling out a
window. Whatever you say to them won’t actually make them mature, they are just young d**kheads – ignore them. They can’t help it, they are
just young and stupid. Time, about 7+ years, is the only healer. NB, most 18 year olds are not young d**kheads, so don’t shout me down.
• I have had one orange thrown at me, which hit my front wheel at speed. It threw me off line, and could have easily chucked me off the bike. This
falls into the area of assault, and is about as intelligent as throwing bricks at cars from overpasses.
• Apart from the above isolated cases, most issues I’ve had with other road-users are not to do with deliberate intent, but simply that a large
proportion of people on the road at any one time are only partly concentrating on driving – how many times have you got home and can’t remember
anything about the drive home?
• Most of the ‘large group’ ie car drivers do not think about the differences of other road-users, like trucks needing more time to stop, bikes
basically just need to not be squeezed off the side of the road. They have just as much right to be on the road as any other vehicle, and an
overtaking vehicle must give way.
• Registration of bikes would be an administrative nightmare. It would present a pile of issues with fairly limited benefits. Where do you stop?
Are ALL bikes registered? Does little juniors bike with training wheels require registration? Is it just adults bikes? Why? Why not? Just seems
to be a bit of a nanny-state knee-jerk.
• I do not condone cyclists dis-obeying road rules such as going through red lights. There are times when I have done it though, as early in the
morning with no traffic about, bikes do not trigger the road sensors to regulate traffic signals. You could sit there as long as you like, but until
a car comes nothing will happen. See the note above about recognising differences.
• Bikes travel at different speeds, mum dad and the kids would be lucky to get to 20 km/h, a bunch of racers can easily sit on 45-50 km/h. If
turning and cyclist are approaching, make sure you recognise relative speeds.
• When I ride, I try to be as clear as possible as to what I am doing. You keep steady lines, indicate when turning. Although it is not actually
the case, I assume all other motorists on the road will do the wrong thing. As a cyclist, it doesn’t matter who is right or wrong, you will come
off worse in an accident – avoid it in the first place. This may mean conceding your equal rights at times. Big deal, get over it.
• When it comes to turns, roundabouts etc, as a cyclist I get off the edge of the road and ‘own the lane’. It is safer for me to sit in the
middle of the lane as it can create confusion for myself and others if there are essentially multiple vehicles in a roundabout lane. I am an
ex-racing cyclist so can get around probably quicker than the cars – this may not be the best approach for everyone.
• I believe there is a slightly higher percentage of bad/inconsiderate cyclists compared with the percentage of bad motorists. Primarily the
racing fraternity, I don’t know if this is the human pack mentality or if this is just something athletes tend to do eg footballers tend to be more
aggressive. Bit of both maybe.
As with most disputes between humans from cars V cyclists to war, most people involved are not fundamentally bad. They have just not taken the time
to consider another point of view or perspective.
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posted on January 30th, 2009 at 03:36 PM
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I have read all the above comments with some interest. I am in my early 40’s now, and have cycled probably over 100 000 kms on mostly Brisbane/SEQ
roads, as well as held a car licence since I was 17.
My cycling has covered the gamut of BMX etc as a kid, to broke uni student cycling, a few triathlons (when Noosa Tri had 2-300 participants, not
2-3000) eventually leading to road racing through my 20’s. Kids stopped all that by 30, and now I just commute 2-3 times a week (about 12k each
way) and do some weekend rides/charity rides, typically around the 50-100k mark.
As above, I’ve held a car licence since 17 so I see it from both sides. I live near the esplanade at Wynnum/Manly, which is a common destination
for cyclists of all persuasions in Brisbane.
My general observations from my experiences, in a general rambling order of no significance;
• Most complaints about ‘other road-users’ seem to stem from the largest group ie car drivers. There is a basic human trait to pick on minority
groups, so therefore to a greater or lesser extent all cyclists/truck drivers/4WD owners/non car-drivers are a mob of lunatics who should be banned
and locked up for life. Most people think this way to a certain extent, only a few actually talk or act on it.
• I have never had a problem with truck drivers, despite their size. My work is in an industrial area near Brisbanes port, so I do see a lot of
trucks.
• I have had relatively few cases of abuse/ things being thrown at me etc. Most common is some 18 yo bunch of yobs showing off yelling out a
window. Whatever you say to them won’t actually make them mature, they are just young d**kheads – ignore them. They can’t help it, they are
just young and stupid. Time, about 7+ years, is the only healer. NB, most 18 year olds are not young d**kheads, so don’t shout me down.
• I have had one orange thrown at me, which hit my front wheel at speed. It threw me off line, and could have easily chucked me off the bike. This
falls into the area of assault, and is about as intelligent as throwing bricks at cars from overpasses.
• Apart from the above isolated cases, most issues I’ve had with other road-users are not to do with deliberate intent, but simply that a large
proportion of people on the road at any one time are only partly concentrating on driving – how many times have you got home and can’t remember
anything about the drive home?
• Most of the ‘large group’ ie car drivers do not think about the differences of other road-users, like trucks needing more time to stop, bikes
basically just need to not be squeezed off the side of the road. They have just as much right to be on the road as any other vehicle, and an
overtaking vehicle must give way.
• Registration of bikes would be an administrative nightmare. It would present a pile of issues with fairly limited benefits. Where do you stop?
Are ALL bikes registered? Does little juniors bike with training wheels require registration? Is it just adults bikes? Why? Why not? Just seems
to be a bit of a nanny-state knee-jerk.
• I do not condone cyclists dis-obeying road rules such as going through red lights. There are times when I have done it though, as early in the
morning with no traffic about, bikes do not trigger the road sensors to regulate traffic signals. You could sit there as long as you like, but until
a car comes nothing will happen. See the note above about recognising differences.
• Bikes travel at different speeds, mum dad and the kids would be lucky to get to 20 km/h, a bunch of racers can easily sit on 45-50 km/h. If
turning and cyclist are approaching, make sure you recognise relative speeds.
• When I ride, I try to be as clear as possible as to what I am doing. You keep steady lines, indicate when turning. Although it is not actually
the case, I assume all other motorists on the road will do the wrong thing. As a cyclist, it doesn’t matter who is right or wrong, you will come
off worse in an accident – avoid it in the first place. This may mean conceding your equal rights at times. Big deal, get over it.
• When it comes to turns, roundabouts etc, as a cyclist I get off the edge of the road and ‘own the lane’. It is safer for me to sit in the
middle of the lane as it can create confusion for myself and others if there are essentially multiple vehicles in a roundabout lane. I am an
ex-racing cyclist so can get around probably quicker than the cars – this may not be the best approach for everyone.
• I believe there is a slightly higher percentage of bad/inconsiderate cyclists compared with the percentage of bad motorists. Primarily the
racing fraternity, I don’t know if this is the human pack mentality or if this is just something athletes tend to do eg footballers tend to be more
aggressive. Bit of both maybe.
As with most disputes between humans from cars V cyclists to war, most people involved are not fundamentally bad. They have just not taken the time
to consider another point of view or perspective.
Def some very good statements.
As a motorcyclist, it is amazing the things you learn in roadcraft and hazard avoidance that you would probably not even think of (Definately
something that wasn't taught by a driving instructor). I think that our licencing system is well below par for the power of todays cars.
I will always endeavour to give cyclists and other road users as much space as safely possible. Easy to do when on the motorbike as I only take up a
1/3 of the lane anyway.
One thing that I don't understand is the two riders abreast rule. If 2 motorbikes are riding in this style (generally staggered formation is safer
in case a rider needs to swerve to avoid a road hazard) but they are travelling at the same speed as the traffic and generally not impeeding the flow.
From a cyclist's perspective, I wouldn't want to be the rider on the outer edge as this presents numerous safety risks. Also if doing this on a
single lane road with double lines (which I believe is legal for cyclists to do this) this presents zero overtaking opportunity for other motorists
and so puts the cyclists at risk also. I think this situation is where common sense and courtesy should kick in and allow motorists to pass safely.
At the end of the day, as a cyclist/motorcyclist you may be in the right from a legal perspective but it makes F.A. difference when you are in
hospital for 6 months, paying off a mortgage, have a family to support and may have long term injuries limiting your employment. Def a ballsy way to
make a legal point.
Safe cycling/riding/motoring Y'all
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posted on February 1st, 2009 at 01:57 PM
I feel for you Pete. That's not funny or clever.
Maybe everyone should be forced to ride a push bike and a motorbike on the roads and log their rides for about a year, before they get a car licence.
Then everyone will know how scary it can be out there on any sort of bike.
A few years ago I rode my pushbike down the East coast of Tasmania and everyone was very polite. Trucks and busses would cross the road as they went
past, except for a carload of boof heads a couple of miles out of Bicheno. One of them leant out the window and slapped me on the back as they went
past with the horn blaring. I just managed to save myself from ending up in the ditch.
I rode into town with murder or at least mayhem in my heart. If I'd found them, I'd have bought a pick handle in the hardware store and got stuck
into them. Maybe its a good thing that I didn't find them.
