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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 08:18 PM |
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Pretty much all the engines you see forsale on ebay are from wreckers which have to make a living hense the stupid prices.
$500 is a good price for a good one, usually private sales you can pick them up for less than that
You can even pick up running Libertys and Imprezas for well under $1k
Don't let high KMs scare you, as long as the maintaince has been kept up to it they easy make 300K without any attention.
The subi joint here service several cars with 300K+ on the clocks, most don't even use any oil between changes.
The high mileage ones I've seen inside of at shop have all still had the cross hatching in the bores.
The early gen1EJ25 SOHC aka EJ251 are tight but fit a bug without too much hassle cept we never saw them here on the DOHC version
Stick with an EJ22 or early EJ20 you'll be fine.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 08:24 PM |
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Joel,
Yeah, I can get the EJ22, ECU and wiring loom all for $700.
I think that is definitely a major win in my eyes.
Hell, the bloke wants to sell me the car for $800 if he can. Only thing wrong, needs new front brakes and key is stuck in ignition barrel.
I just want the engine, ECU and wiring. I'm going to contact Al in Queensland about getting the wiring loom to what I actually need.
What about those hard water lines from SharpBuilt? Worth contacting them about it or should I not bother and deal with that after?
The kit from AA003 sounds really good though...
Seeing as though it is complete, contains a spare engine with only 132,000kms, the flywheel and adapter, wiring loom and ecu.
Only thing I need to do is radiator, hard water lines, fuel pump stuff as well and whatever else is needed.
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Those hard lines on the sharpbuilt website are designed to be used on a beach buggy
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 08:44 PM |
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Ah, thanks for that clarification!
I guess I'll need to get some custom made ones then. Basically want the same as Joel where they tuck into the pans sills and sit high.
Will see what I can do.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 09:32 PM |
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Most I have ever paid for an engine is 200 and that was for a 18 year old engine with 89k on it.
2 years and 62k later is going strong as ever, fantastic engine! This ain't vw or suby engine though, different market.
I sold an ea82 for 50 buks cos I felt thats all it was worth.
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Damn that is bloody good!
Wish I had your luck man, I didn't even know it was possible to buy an engine that cheaply with a tiny amount of k's on it.
Will see what happens.
I'm excited though, will get everything starting soon, if I can score this kit from AA003 then I'll be smiling.
Then just comes installation!
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 10:08 PM |
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That's cos you can find Commodore Buick V6s sitting on the footpath each garbage day 
There's one just around the corner from me out of a VR mounted in a Greenfield ride on lawn mower 
Amazingly it stays cool with only a Mini Minor radiator.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 10:13 PM |
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Ahaha that's awesome!
What do you reckon Joel?
Kit from AA003 or the $700 EJ22 (220,000+), ECU and wiring loom?
I'm thinking kit...
Might call the number supplied tomorrow.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 10:47 PM |
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I say keep it aircooled!!!
Also, I'm not sure about the P plate laws that you have in SA. But in QLD P plate drivers can't drive a vehicle that has had a engine swap
performed. A car that has a Blue Plate mod for the engine is a big no no for P platers.
Make sure that you check your states laws out properly before rushing into an engine conversion, you might not be allowed to drive it.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 PM |
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Smiley,
Yeah, you're right about engine swap, P platers aren't supposed to do it. But the thing is, I've already done an engine swap, just to another VW
engine.
So really, I've already broken the rules. Sure, another VW engine isn't going to matter much, but you're right about a Subaru engine being in the
car...
That would definitely raise questions if I got pulled over.
I won't be allowed to drive it while displaying P plates, correct, but I am pretty sure those restrictions are lifted when I get my P2's, which will
be just before my 18th I'm pretty sure.
That and I won't be displaying my P's, so the police won't have any reason to pull me over unless I'm doing stupid shit in Zelda (which I won't
be and haven't been for some time now).
Not only that, but Zelda is actually registered under Mum's name and insured under hers as well. Meaning I get cheaper insurance, but that might have
to change as well to full comprehensive (not just third party fire and theft) so that it can be insured for all modifications. I know that I will have
to get an engineer to sign off on the conversion as well which is another issue I have to pass when it comes time for it to happen.
But, I don't think that should stop me from passing up the deal from AA003. I can always have the parts in storage and then when the time is right,
start the conversion.
I just want to have it done by the end of the year. Hell, if I really pushed myself, I have a month till the Easter long weekend. If I can gather all
the parts before then, I reckon with a bit of luck and endurance, I could have the conversion done during that weekend.
So in other words, I need to have all the parts, the wiring loom stripped down and everything ready to go before the 6th of April.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 11:24 PM |
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Swapping in a replacement engine is exactly that, just swapping in another engine. All you have to do is get the engine number changed on your rego
and you're all good.
Whereas an engine conversion is fitting an engine from another manufacturer or an engine that wasn't offered for you model car. It requires
engineering/approval/mod plating etc.
Even if the vehicle is insured and registered in your mothers name, doesn't mean that you can drive it if your license doesn't allow you too. It
would only take one cop to notice that the engine 'sounds a little different' when they have you pulled over for an RBT and you could run into some
issues if you're not legally allowed to drive the car.
I'm not saying don't go for it, I"m just saying that you should definitely look into the laws thoroughly and make sure that you can drive that car
still. Because I sure as hell wouldn't want to be prohibited from driving my Baja, only because I rushed into an engine conversion without looking
into it properly beforehand.
Also, I think that you're kidding yourself if you think that you can do an engine conversion in a weekend. Just ask Joel how long it took to make up
the radiator box in the front or run the coolant lines. It's a lot bigger job than you can imagine. Not to mention the thousands of 'small' jobs
that will gobble up the time, mounting the ECU, running the wiring, finding a spot for the overflow bottle etc etc etc.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 11:38 PM |
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First up, I know I'm kidding myself with time and doing it in a weekend, one can hope for something. But I honestly reckon I could get a majority of
the work done, not all of it, but a majority.
Anyway, back to the main issue here. You're right, I definitely don't want to be stopped at an RBT, and then loose being able to drive Zelda for a
few years. That just isn't cool in my eyes and I'd hate for something like that to happen. I did some research like you recommended and found this
for P1 drivers (myself).
High-powered vehicles are:
- vehicles with engines of eight or more cylinders
- vehicles with turbocharged or supercharged engines (excluding diesel powered vehicles)
- vehicles that have been modified to increase engine performance
- nominated high performance vehicles.
So I did some more digging and found this as well.
High-powered vehicle restrictions apply to vehicles that have been modified to increase engine performance. The following information may help to
determine the type of modifcations that may be included in this defiinition but may not be exhaustive and should not be taken as a precise
interpretation of the law.
Vehicle attributes include:
- Induction system
- Fuel system
- Engine
- Exhaust system
Note: under no circumstances should any of the above be modified or replaced with parts or components unapproved by the vehicle manufacturer.
So it quite clearly states that I should not be doing such things until I'm actually on my full license or else I will have my license disqualified.
I won't be able to apply for a full license until I'm 20, so it'll be until then that I can actually drive Zelda legally with a Subaru conversion
in her. I guess I'll just be sitting this out and waiting two years until it is possible... I still reckon I'd be alright to do it though, I only
drive her to and from work and that is quite literally a five minute drive. The only time that I reckon I'd ever get caught at an RBT is if I was
driving to the misses place which is about a twenty minute drive away and on some main roads.
It just feels like a damn shame to say no to everything and just drop the EJ22 project due to some restrictions. Hell, I don't even know when I can
apply for my P2's because of receiving a demerit point. All I know is that because of it, I won't be able to apply for my full license till I'm
twenty. I'm eighteen in two months, so yeah, it's a two year wait until I can even start stripping Zelda down for the conversion... That kinda
sucks.
PS. Aircooled may be better, but like the first post after mine, it's comparing 1930 technology to 1990's...
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 11:46 PM |
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Aircooled may be better, but like the first post after mine, it's comparing 1930 technology to 1990's...
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1930's technology gets me to work every day. And that's over 700km a week, haven't run into a need for an engine conversion yet
Just stick with the 1600 for now, get to know your car, maintain it, tune it, drive it for a while, upgrade any issues. Then you can worry about
engine upgrades.
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| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 11:53 PM |
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Yessir Smiley!
So you reckon still grab the dual kadrons and then just drive her, enjoy her, and do all the maintenance myself?
Then later down the track, jump on the Subabug band wagon...
I think that sounds a bit more realistic...
Might get a Vintage Speed exhaust though... NOMNOMNOM!
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Yessir Smiley!
So you reckon still grab the dual kadrons and then just drive her, enjoy her, and do all the maintenance myself?
Then later down the track, jump on the Subabug band wagon...
I think that sounds a bit more realistic...
Might get a Vintage Speed exhaust though... NOMNOMNOM!
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Absolutely man.
My Baja started out with a 1300sp and could barely turn the 31"s to 105km/h. But now I've replaced/rebuilt/had apart/broken and fixed just about
every part on the car. You learn so much when something breaks or goes wrong and you have to get in and fix it yourself.
I'm at the point now where I'm researching and looking into major upgrades form my car, disc brakes/rack and pinion steering/5 speed box etc.
There's no way I could even comprehend half of this if I hadn't started out basic and learned as I went.
So love that car! And learn that car! Until you know everything about her. And by that time you will probably be old enough to swap a Subie into
her.
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And new exhausts are good. Make sure that you don't go too big for your engine.
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Yeah man!
I've already learnt so much about her, it's great. I never thought in a million years when I got her that I'd have the balls to actually do an
engine change in her. That was crazy. And to know that I'll get dual kadrons and all of that and do it all myself, that excites me!
I'm looking into disc brakes all around too, but a different bolt pattern and so forth. That'll be the next thing on my agenda.
I guess time will tell, but one day, Zelda will definitely be Subaru powered that is for sure.
Also, I'm keen on getting the Vintage Speed Exhaust, SuperFlow and whatever, 38mm headers.
First thing is first though, get the dual kadrons installed and tuned to perfection, then get the exhaust, and then the brakes and rotor changes.
Will be cool, bleeding brakes and all that crap.
Then some nifty little electronics that I'll do and that'll be cool as well.
EJ22 can wait for a while. I want to have my fun with a Type 1 first.
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| posted on February 23rd, 2012 at 06:17 AM |
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The first ever vw engine I built for my Superbug when I was 18 was a 1641cc with a pobjoy cam, balanced bottom end, extractors, lightened flywheel
& a stock carby. It went very very well. Last engine I built was a 2275cc with 48 webbers before I went Subaru.
Unless u are the lovechild of Craig Lowndes, I don't think u will be quite ready yet to handle a big jump in power in a little beetle. Take your
time. maybe stick an engle 110 cam in the 1600 with some kadrons for now , just so u can keep up with the traffic a little better whilst u are on your
P's & just enjoy it.
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It's not me that is selling the Subaru bits. I'm just the messenger.
If I was in your situation, I'd put an 1835 in it with standard carb. Nobody would know that you had modified it.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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| posted on February 23rd, 2012 at 08:45 AM |
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Jak,
I've got a 1600cc twin port in there at the moment running a dual carb setup. The plan is to swap them out with some 40 Kadrons and then a Vintage
Speed exhaust should do it.
The only issue I have is that there are some studs coming out of the case that are bloody weird. Looks like they have been extended for something, not
sure what though.
But regardless, I'm not actually supposed to be modifying my engine, but I do keep up with the traffic...
AA003,
Thanks for that, I do appreciate your help. I contacted Geoff but won't be able to follow through with it due to limits and legality.
I have a 1600tp, could I bore that out to 1835 or should I just wait until one pops up in the WTB section?
Thanks for everyones input, really appreciate it guys!
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Unless u are the lovechild of Craig Lowndes, I don't think u will be quite ready yet to handle a big jump in power in a little beetle. Take your
time. maybe stick an engle 110 cam in the 1600 with some kadrons for now , just so u can keep up with the traffic a little better whilst u are on your
P's & just enjoy it.
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That's quality advise right there.
Inexperience and power is a killer which is why they brought out P plater restrictions.
I totalled my first bug on my Ps finding out RR cars don't quite drift the same as FR cars do.
As much as I'm pro engine conversions, you're diving off the deep end tackling an engine conversion this early.
Like Smiley said the 100s of little jobs that you don't think of soon add up.
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I have a 1600tp, could I bore that out to 1835 or should I just wait until one pops up in the WTB section?
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Rebuild yours or buy another stock engine to rebuild in your spare time. Do it properely and you will end up with a nce torquey brand new engine that
looks like stock.
Then when you are ready just stick the Kadrons on.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
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That's quality advise right there.
Inexperience and power is a killer which is why they brought out P plater restrictions.
I totalled my first bug on my Ps finding out RR cars don't quite drift the same as FR cars do.
As much as I'm pro engine conversions, you're diving off the deep end tackling an engine conversion this early.
Like Smiley said the 100s of little jobs that you don't think of soon add up.
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Yeah, this is the sort of advice that I wanted when I asked this question and it is great to have so many people input and give me all this
information. I think it has definitely helped me and I've made the right decision in staying away until I'm in my twenties and have more road
experience under my belt...
I agree completely Joel!
PS, you're right about RR cars drifting and sliding differently than FR cars. Damn tail happy.
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Rebuild yours or buy another stock engine to rebuild in your spare time. Do it properely and you will end up with a nce torquey brand new engine that
looks like stock.
Then when you are ready just stick the Kadrons on.
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Will look into how much it'll cost to rebuild mine and in turn how long it'll take.
I've already got Kadrons lined up, hopefully being posted next Monday/Tuesday.
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That's cos you can find Commodore Buick V6s sitting on the footpath each garbage day
There's one just around the corner from me out of a VR mounted in a Greenfield ride on lawn mower
Amazingly it stays cool with only a Mini Minor radiator.
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yeah very true, these engine are outlasting the every car they have been put it. only 25 million buick v6 engine made
Cheap, powerful, torque is amazing (starts off at 500 rpm easy as) lasts forever, compact, simple, relatively light, can take a flogging daily and
last to 300k+. very popular conversion engine but not so in vw land.
its because these engine don't really die that there is so many of them and this is why they are cheap and simply the best bang for buck engine in
Australia.
the opposite of the once equal car "the falcon" because of these engine failing all the time due to head gasket and head corrosion problems there
isn't much of them around and if you can find one at a reasonable price it will probably need the head welded and machined, then an expensive ford AU
gaskets fitted to prevent the problem again.
therfore they are expensive for high k worn POS engines. typical is 600 -800 buks for one is good shape vs a low k buick v6 for 200-500 in excellent
shape.
these v6 are cheaper than a excel engine and we know how good excel
engines are 
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these v6 are cheaper than a excel engine and we know how good excel
engines are
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Don't under estimate them.
The 4G15 was one of Mitsubishi's better engines, just look at how many Excels, Mirages, Lancers, Proton Jumbuck and Satrias are out there especially
with 300k or more on original engines.
I was amazed at the abuse the S coupe took at both the previous owner and my brother and his girlfreind almost nuking it up a mountain range with 2
other passangers and camping gear yet it's ran perfect with 250k on the clock long after I sold it.
The excel cup cars cop a flogging too.
Shame the rest of the cars are poorly made pieces of shit.
Buick V6s are common in Kombis and run laps around a type4 but yeah, no good for bug or type3.
Mate of mine uses them in his Speedway sprint car.
They run pretty much on the rev limitor and generally run all season without a pull down.
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Aha yeah, I have seen a very large amount of engines really cheap with 250,000kms+ but they are just going to keep going.
I've decided I'll chuck on the dual kadrons, scat35 cam, and new pistons. Will make a nice 1776cc.
Will split the case and redoing the bearings and all that.
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| Quote: | Originally
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these v6 are cheaper than a excel engine and we know how good excel
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Don't under estimate them.
The 4G15 was one of Mitsubishi's better engines, just look at how many Excels, Mirages, Lancers, Proton Jumbuck and Satrias are out there especially
with 300k or more on original engines.
I was amazed at the abuse the S coupe took at both the previous owner and my brother and his girlfreind almost nuking it up a mountain range with 2
other passangers and camping gear yet it's ran perfect with 250k on the clock long after I sold it.
The excel cup cars cop a flogging too.
Shame the rest of the cars are poorly made pieces of shit.
Buick V6s are common in Kombis and run laps around a type4 but yeah, no good for bug or type3.
Mate of mine uses them in his Speedway sprint car.
They run pretty much on the rev limitor and generally run all season without a pull down.
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I don't know, I seen a lot of excels and the later accent fail prematurely at less than 150k.
but yeah the v6 kombi conversion is awesome!
your mate that uses one in a sprint car, that engine doesn't happen to be an engine built by SRE?
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| posted on February 23rd, 2012 at 09:14 PM |
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LOL the 4g15 in my mirage is going well in the 14 year old body. It gets treated with a Fair degree of neglect since the bug came along. oil cange
every christmas and coolant every few years.
It ain't no 5.7 v8 but gets me around just fine.
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these v6 are cheaper than a excel engine and we know how good excel
engines are
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Don't under estimate them.
The 4G15 was one of Mitsubishi's better engines, just look at how many Excels, Mirages, Lancers, Proton Jumbuck and Satrias are out there especially
with 300k or more on original engines.
I was amazed at the abuse the S coupe took at both the previous owner and my brother and his girlfreind almost nuking it up a mountain range with 2
other passangers and camping gear yet it's ran perfect with 250k on the clock long after I sold it.
The excel cup cars cop a flogging too.
Shame the rest of the cars are poorly made pieces of shit.
Buick V6s are common in Kombis and run laps around a type4 but yeah, no good for bug or type3.
Mate of mine uses them in his Speedway sprint car.
They run pretty much on the rev limitor and generally run all season without a pull down.
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Joel
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| posted on February 23rd, 2012 at 09:57 PM |
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your mate that uses one in a sprint car, that engine doesn't happen to be an engine built by SRE?
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Nah, he owns an engineering shop and builds them himself.
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| posted on February 23rd, 2012 at 10:09 PM |
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cool.
I am going to get an ecotec from SRE in geelong for my other VP.
2600 bucks for his most basic engine which is mildly hotted up, I think its around 160kw at the flywheel? vs stock 147kw. plus all the machine work is
to high tolerance like his speedway packages. then I could go for his next stage which it still mild and can make around or just under 200kw and that
is 3400 buks.
hmmm decisions decisions 
SRE is Spencer race engines and their rep is very high for quality among the holden, chev and ford scene.
they do a lot of speed way stuff , engine stuff for V8 supercars etc... good shit 
71 notchback,
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