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I think the Mexican Beeltes had factory option gas.
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BioDiesel
Naturally grown Oils eg: Palm Oil
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Best use (ahem, only use hopefully one day) for genetically engineered crops... they use soybean oil, and "can be manufactured from vegetable oils,
animal fats, or recycled restaurant greases."
'I'll have quarter pounder meal thanks'...
'would you like a tank of lard gas with that sir?'
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heres a link to an U.S. dept of energy site... lotta data here
http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/altfuel/biodiesel.html
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aggressively put DOUBLECAB, true enough.... I would add though......Its easy to be right in principal, and then dangerous to be self righteous....
being alternative I think also means making strong positive choices.... being open and realistic with what we got, and being inclusive of it all, not
a victim........ rejecting and developing conspiracy theories only breeds paranoia......
fight ignorance the smart way
it is all a mess, but count me in!
the revolution is only a t-shirt away........ Billy Bragg
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And Im just the man to make you that T-shirt!! 
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| posted on April 25th, 2006 at 07:33 PM |
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Notice everybody still has the fixation for the old 'carbon fuel technology'.......anybody on this site ever come across the 'magnetic propulsion
theories".........like think outside of the preconditioned square you are in and ponder why the earth 'hangs up there' and rotates in a vacum?
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This has been metioned on this site some time ago,with a link to the magnet motor at CUQ???? Cant remember exactly,but somewhere in QLD...Looked the
goods....
tssnq.com.au
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| posted on April 25th, 2006 at 07:34 PM |
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Ah! DC. Why does the earth rotate? Now we are getting Reichian. According to them Orgone Energy pulls the earth around.
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| posted on April 25th, 2006 at 07:54 PM |
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http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:bSn6qaIg4W8J:cycclone.com/welcome/page1.php+magnetic+engine&hl=en&lr=&strip=1
There is a link to where the page USED to be..for some reason it's now gone??? Maybe some geek can explain why the links bring up something
different????:jesus:o
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| posted on April 25th, 2006 at 08:04 PM |
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maybe cos it was proven to be false 
did anyone see the episode of myth busters where they tested a heap of the weird alternative "free energy" devices, and couldn't get any to
work?
nuclear power is one of our best options at the moment, it just has a bad public perception.
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| posted on April 26th, 2006 at 02:36 AM |
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I love this concept... http://www.alienbaby.com/levitron.html
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
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| posted on April 26th, 2006 at 02:39 AM |
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I know it uses a conventional engine to reach a walking pace, but then forward propulsion using magnetic energy takes over and there is NO rolling
resistance. This appeals to me. Of course two vehicles passing too close could quickly spin around and attach themselves to each other...
Another alternative is the bicycle...
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Some years ago I read in a car magazine an critique of the then new Ford Cortina which had a column shift mechanism for its 4 speed gear box, which
was described as "a complicated way to do a simple job badly."
I consider nuclear power to be exactly that. A complicated way to do a simple job badly.
There is only enough uranium for about 50 years supply, nuclear fuel is difficult to mine, and to make, power stations are stunningly expensive and
complex to make and they are equally as difficult and expensive to run and decommission, the fuel lasts only a few years, the dangerous residues and
wastes last for millions of years and terrorists are tempted by the possibilities of nuclear explosions and contamination.
I repeat. It's a complicated way to do a simple job badly.
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| posted on April 26th, 2006 at 10:04 AM |
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All right, as DC and the conspiracy theorists have taken over, and the thread has gone away from the oil industry, I'm out of this one now.
Anyone want to carry on a sensible discussion about the oil industry ? or got any questions, let me know. I'm not qualified or inclined to talk
magnetic levitation, or why the earth 'hangs up' in a vacuum.......
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| posted on April 26th, 2006 at 10:17 AM |
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who wants to create an alternate fuel buisness with me 
A group of people (AKA board), need to pin up these pros and cons and see/compare/contrast the positives and negatives of each, in relation to cost,
environmental effect, production ease etc, and see which one rules best.
Has any organisation prepared any documents that discuss and critique alot of suggested alternatives?
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| posted on April 26th, 2006 at 12:15 PM |
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Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win your still retarded.
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That is classic!!!
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i totally agree with that.. funny stuff.. haha :P
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| posted on April 26th, 2006 at 12:36 PM |
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I thought the topic was "What happens when the oil runs out?" To me that means every fuel option except oil. I of course think that finding out the
truth about oil reserves and oil company policy is important and relevant to the topic, but so is everyone's suggestions on alternative fuels. Let's
keep this going...
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
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Why has no-one brought up fusion in the arguments about 'nuclear' power? The Tokamak reactor projects in Japan and France will have a HUGE impact
on cheap power production. Fusion will be the large-scale power of the future, and like all technologies, will eventually scale down in size and
complexity.
OK, it's extremely dangerous, but if it works properly its ALMOST free energy, and it's very clean.
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| posted on April 26th, 2006 at 01:55 PM |
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Dont get me wrong guys, I'm not trying to say there arent alternatives. I'm just saying that the oil will never 'run out'. It'll just get too
expensive for you and I to buy.
Having said that, its a long way away and I would expect to see more and more private companies springing up to promote their alternative fuels and
engine technologies.
And DC, just remember that you cannot be forced to sell a patent. All these supposed 'suppressed technologies' have presumably been patented by the
inventor and then sold. Its not like four big burly guys in black suits with dark glasses and little BP logos rocked up and 'suggested' they sell
their technology.....
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I had a dabble with solar energy a few years ago.. Still have a working concept that is a ball tearer.. My point is BP Solar are at the forefront of
solar technology.. The money they have invested is huge.. Big users are Scandanavian countries.. This is for electricity generation though so I guess
not relevant.. Sorry
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I know it uses a conventional engine to reach a walking pace, but then forward propulsion using magnetic energy takes over and there is NO rolling
resistance. This appeals to me. Of course two vehicles passing too close could quickly spin around and attach themselves to each other...
Another alternative is the bicycle...
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i also imagine stopping/turngint etc would be difficult with lo friction from the ground, and unfortunately there is always wind resistance etc unless
your magnetic track is inside a vacuum
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Just like you dont get sued by patent farmers for infringing their idea. :jesus
This so did, still does and will always happen. I know of a patent seller that was offered a buyout price or a legal complications bill. He sold,
'cause the speculative investments companies are all about reputation and retribution with legal finesse.
There is whole bunches of law devoted to this. Its like copyright.
The sale or 'license' is heavily assisted with speculative legal negotiations costing a motza to defend.
Sorry dude, they do wear black suits, stripy ties and Ive seen one wearing braces. Dick Cheney shot one. Thems called Lawyers.
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And DC, just remember that you cannot be forced to sell a patent. All these supposed 'suppressed technologies' have presumably been patented by the
inventor and then sold. Its not like four big burly guys in black suits with dark glasses and little BP logos rocked up and 'suggested' they sell
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| posted on April 26th, 2006 at 05:51 PM |
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See ? Conspiracy theorists abound......
Its too hard for people to understand that there currently is no workable, economic alternative. Much easier for everybody to bash the oil companies,
and then whinge about how expensive fuel is.
Of course its expensive - we have to pay for all the lawyers and patents for all these 'alternative technologies', not to mention the thugs .....
thugs dont come cheap these days.......
I just tried to give you an unbiased view from the inside of the petroleum industry. But thats OK. I can understand that from the outside it doesnt
seem as simple as it is from my side.
Personally I liked the idea of a compressed air powered 2 seater car that I saw in a renewable energy magazine a year or so ago - it was produced in
spain, had about ~ 200km range and the only byproduct of the engine was air conditioning..... combine that with a renewable energy driven (ie solar /
wind) compressor at home and a decent sized air reservoir and it could potentially work as a zero carbon content transport system.
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Have a geezer at this site - its not the first one I was thinking of, but very similar and more recent.
http://www.theaircar.com
If it doesnt work, Google MDI air car
Oh yeah, and I looked real real hard but couldnt find which oil company owned the technology........ perhaps its none of 'us' ?
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Yeah fusion's intereseting, but it's proving to be tricky to make it work. The little issue of how to contain a plasma which is hotter than the
surface of the sun. Trying to get out more energy than is required to maintain the magnetic fields, very hard. And of course sustaining such a
reaction - adding extra fuel. Nice idea, good luck fella's. I'd love to get into that field one day (I'm working for Oil now! Offshore
Australia).
The Earth isn't hanging, it's just continuously falling towards the sun without getting any closer (in terms of energy, obviously; we do get a bit
closer during our summers and a bit further away during our winters, we're on an ellipse you know). And the moon's spiralling away from us at about
3cm per year, robbing us (the Earth) of angular momentum and hence days are getting longer. May sound whacko, but it's true: you can download the
NASA JPL ephemeris from their web site, and it goes back a few thousand years. So there!
I also don't see oil 'running out', but we won't be able to afford it long before it becomes very scarce. For instance, small oil fields are
being developed now that weren't profitable before (like the one in Bass Strait known as Basker-Manta, known in the early eighties). This can
continue for a long time. Many times now the gas that is produced (some sort of hydrocarbon, not sure what, chemically), is re-injected into the well
to assist in pumping out the remaining oil. Later, that gas may become financially viable to extract, then we go back and get it. So it'll be a
while before it's all gone, but it'll get prohibitively expensive before that. Even ivory hasn't 'run out'.
Hehe, how's that cold fusion coming along? Now that IS a whacko idea. Anyone got some quantum tunneling catalysts handy? Bit of a finite
probability modifier?
Cheers, A.
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