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 shiftyvw
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| posted on April 18th, 2003 at 09:12 PM |
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pobjoy motors..
can someone tell me what the difference is between a standard pobjoy 1916 and a "steroid" one. heads compression cam etc? |
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| posted on April 18th, 2003 at 09:52 PM |
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hopefully see him on Sunday ,I'll let you Know.
Regards,Glenn>
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| posted on April 21st, 2003 at 04:55 PM |
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All I can say Peter is go for a ride in a stroker motored beetle & then tell me with a straight face that your 1916cc is better.
Just as a foot note, my little 1880cc is 4 seconds a lap quicker around Wakefield in another superbug with a base 1916cc from Stan , & thats with
slicks!
After riding in a 2387cc beetle, tourqe is everything, why rev to 7000, 8000 or even 9000rpm when u can short shift at 6000rpm & watch the world
go by as a blur.
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Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 12:11 AM |
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yes shiftyvw heads, carburetion , cam , compression and possibly crank ( if you opted for the cheaper set up without counterwieghts).
I didnt get exact details as he was pretty busy.
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 01:09 AM |
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Yes, Jakriz; a stroker can outperform a 1916 - I'm building one myself, and the cost and complexity tempt me to yell: "Stan, where the
f&#% are you?"
I think Peter's comments are exactly what we are looking for here - some real world experience on the longevity and cooling issues with a truly
professionally-built 1916. I, personally, would never question Stan's engineering abilities - but there has been a lot of debate over 94mm
cylinders.
I think we have established that 94s can be used quite practically on a streetable motor, I'm simply mad enough to aim for the lifespan of an
original engine - even though I, like most of us, will never personally see it. The original engine, with correct maintenance, can see over 200,000
miles - I have put this on work vehicles (commodores and falcons,) but can't see where I'd ever do it on my VW.
[But it's my dream!]
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 01:38 AM |
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strokers. longevity.
| Quote: | Originally
posted by jakriz
All I can say Peter is go for a ride in a stroker motored beetle & then tell me with a straight face that your 1916cc is better.
"better?"
my 1916 has been running exactly as it should, reliably, ever since I started using it. If I had money and time to burn on replacing overstressed
cases and cracked heads, I'd probably have a supercharged stroker in a car with all four wheels pointed in the same direction. I wanted power AND
reliability. So for me, mines better.
When you lengthen the stroke, jak, do you remove material from the crankcase to clear the new throw? Have you ever blown up or cracked a case? broken
a crank? had to rebuild your race engine?
horses for courses.
torque is cheap. but not THAT cheap.
what carbs, heads etc u running if you don't mind me asking?
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let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 02:20 AM |
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Doubt it
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posted by Peter Leonard...remember, double demerits. mucho cash for police. (if they were serious they'd drop the fines at easter, and
double the demerits.)
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And miss out on the revenue? Would a druggie say no to a free fix???? The government makes too much money to do that.
Darn, I just got pulled over by the "police" tonight. I was doing 45mph (about 70km) in a 60km zone. Its double dual lane. There's no
one else around for miles. Its in an industrial area. Police say radar showed 81km and shoved me a $200 fine and 3 demerit points. Oh crap....
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 02:23 AM |
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How much did it cost
Sorry for the rant. How much does Stan charge for his engines btw?
Or rather how much would it cost to build a good decent engine?
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 09:33 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Blue65
Or rather how much would it cost to build a good decent engine?
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I would like to know the answer to this question also......all this talk of fast engines is awakening my flagging testosterone
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 09:47 AM |
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well the 1916 has it's place seeing it is cheaper to build than a stroker. Its a great budget motor
Jon
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 03:21 PM |
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Autostick, the cost & complexity shouldn't be getting to u building a stroker. Whats the difference? A 76mm crank will slip into a vW with no
clearancing needed, u can use standard rods with it & just use stroker pistons to offset the stroke. No dramas. If u are going to spend the money
on a 69mm counterweighted crank anyway, why not go bigger for a little more cost.? For years I had always used standard 69mm cranks or 69mm
counterweighted cranks but after having a stroker I'll never go back.
I agree totally that if u are on a budget then a standard balanced crank is perfect but if u are spending money on a crank & rods for that matter,
invest in something bigger & better.
"Have you ever blown up or cracked a case? broken a crank? had to rebuild your race engine?
Yes Pete, I have just had a chevy rod let go, u may have seen my post from 2 months back, I'm not afraid to tell people. I've currently
enlarged the capacity to 2027cc with 94mm pistons & I've replaced the rods with CB Performace race rods.
Before u raise your eyebrows about the blowup, The crank & rod setup that I have (I'm still using the crank) has been goign since 1984!!! 19
years in action, & my car is the first street/ race car that it has been in, previously it was doing duty in Borris' Targa race beetle I
beleive, so to say that the rods & crank have had a hard run is an understatement, plus I've had them for 3 years in my motor & have done
about 25 supersprints, revving it's head off all day & then driving it home again to drive to work the next day. So I'm not complaining
about the blow up.
I'm running standard 040's that have been ported & polished with match ported manifolds (all tricks that backyard mechanics can do
themselves) with 45mm Dellortoes.
regards
Jak:thumb
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 05:32 PM |
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looks like we need a 2nd dyno day !!!!!!!
good to see you using 94's Jak, just need a 69mm crank !!!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 05:56 PM |
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Yeh Craig, we'll have another one soon, I'll let u know. The case that I'm using is is clearanced for 94's & also CNC machined
for up to a 86mm crank..........guess what I'm getting for Xmas! No going back now Craig! & to think the first motor that I built was a
1640cc!
regards
Jak
PS I just missed u at Richards the other day by 5 minutes!
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 08:34 PM |
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A stroker crank, landed, will come to about $1200; a 76mm crank with standard rods will not "drop in" to the case, aftermarket rods come in
at around $300. An Aussie supplier can supply a crank and modified holden rods for about $2000. A 76mm crank with stroker pistons will provide a
rather low CR, with standard pistons will require spacers and cut to legth pushrods (and the exhaust can be a bugger to fit with large spacers.)
Just a few examples, a reasonable stroker can easily add up to about double what Stan the Man charges for his basic 1916s; I still think they're
a reasonable alternative if you're on a budget (and a 1916 can work better with standard heads.)
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 08:50 PM |
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I must say my 1915 was great, and the offroading I gave it showed it's longevity / drivability merits.
But once you look into the cost of a VW motor with 100+ HP, you'll begin to understand why I went watercooled. If your lucky enough to come for a
ride, you'll really understand why I went watercooled. And when your wife/partner next complains of crap heating / no air-con, you'll wish
you went watercooled too. :thumb
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 08:56 PM |
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Jak , you're on a roll now !!!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 09:17 PM |
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Jak - just craving for H.P.
I wanted more power too and decided that boost would work out cheaper.
Jak are you considering the " Turbo " next ????
Regards,Glenn>
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 09:57 PM |
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70stick I don't know where u buy your parts from but u are getting ripped off!
When was the last time u tried to get a 76mm crank into a VW case? have u actually tried it??? If cutting some pushrods to length & sticking some
spacers under the barrels is a little too hard for u then I suggest sticking with the 1916cc.
Like I've said before, I've had both setups, standard stroke & now stroker & I'm only going to go bigger as I go along.
Who says size doesn't matter??? LOL
At the end of the day , use whatever works for u, not what u have read somewhere or heard someone say in a passing comment, unfortunantly as the old
saying goes, 'Opinions are like A*%eholes, everyones got one. LOL
regards
Jak
[Edited on 22-4-2003 by jakriz]
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 03:55 PM |
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Quick question Jak, who had the 1916 superbug you were racing at Wakefield?
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 05:14 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Craig Torrens
Quick question Jak, who had the 1916 superbug you were racing at Wakefield?
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ct?
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 05:41 PM |
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CT doesn't have a superbug.
Hey blue, check this out, your our lucky 125th poster on the 3000 view, must be a prize for that.
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[Edited on 23-4-2003 by Baja Wes]
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 05:46 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
CT doesn't have a superbug.
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Ooops....heh heh heh... I knew that!
Hmmm maybe i could win a panel beater!
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 05:49 PM |
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I had a silly post b4 - almost ALL the post are a 10:1 ratio.
This one is like 30:1
EVERYONE just wants to check this topic out.
I think EVERYONE wants to have an opinion just wont post it 
OK here goes - 88 slipins will beat a 1916 ANYDAY!!!!
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 05:55 PM |
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I shouldn't have asked the original Q  . A few months later, I bought
a 1916 and the thread still going
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 06:05 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by karmannghia60
.... I bought a 1916 .....
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What!?....... ya should have bought a 1775!.
A 1916 will NEVER last.
The walls are too fat!
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 06:13 PM |
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I even told people to go watercooled, and I still got no bites
Maybe everyone has just realised watercooled is the way to go..... :vader
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 06:19 PM |
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Ahhh NOW i know why you went water cooled
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 06:19 PM |
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Wes your so funny
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 06:43 PM |
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no barry you got it wrong... 92's will even outlast stock.
and wes you're an idiot for spending a couple of grand to get 6 cylinders,EFI, DOHC, Variable length intake... i mean WHAT A RIPOFF! you should
have just built an 1835 and smacked a holley on it, with a 4 tip monza exhaust, it would've kicked ass!
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Craig Torrens
Quick question Jak, who had the 1916 superbug you were racing at Wakefield?
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It was a new guy named Paul , Craig, I can't remember his last name, he knew of me & my racing & thats what got him started. The L-bug
that he bought came with a Pobjoy 1916cc, he has since let Richard from V-Force go to town on the brakes , wheels , tyres & suspension. He said
that the car is fine through the corners but lacks stright line speed so guess what he bought??? thats right, & stroker crank & chromoly race
rods to match.
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Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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