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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 12:42 PM |
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painting pan KBS?
Needs some suggestions for a hard wearing paint that can be applied at home (I can spray it). It is for the baja. Was thinking of stone chip paint but
thought someone here might have have better ideas.
Thanks
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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 05:28 PM |
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POR 15 make a excellent range of automotive paints http://www.ppcco.com.au/
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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 06:48 PM |
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Someone posted recently they just used rust bullet paints and recommended it over por15 or KBS paints...
Por 15 and KBS,you have to be super anal about the prep other wise its going to peel off..and they like clean rusty metal better then fresh
metal,this is what I have found and also read...
Good luck....
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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 06:55 PM |
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Hey mate.
I used POR15 on my pan and it was pretty good, for a few years...
I'm looking at using Some Raptor lining once I get my pan back together.
More info here, I'm not sure if MMA is selling it or not now. But I haven't looked into where I'm going to source it yet.
http://manxclub.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2569
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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 07:37 PM |
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Hey mate.
I used POR15 on my pan and it was pretty good, for a few years...
I'm looking at using Some Raptor lining once I get my pan back together.
More info here, I'm not sure if MMA is selling it or not now. But I haven't looked into where I'm going to source it yet.
http://manxclub.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2569
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That's the sort of stuff I'm looking for thanks again Smiley 
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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 08:33 PM |
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yeah I use rust bullet now. Way easier than POR15 and better results as well. UV resistant unlike POR15.
rust bullet doesn't need a topcoat but they do have one for it. without it has a natural cast aluminum finish and is perfect for brake and engine
parts including alloy.
its much more versatile.
it even sticks like e-coat to surfaces like this Tin/Lead alloy plated fuel tank. That is why I went with rust bullet as I needed outstanding
adhesion to stick to tin/lead.
its so good I am going to start using it as a caliper and engine paint as well.
POR15 is still good but i find it limited to ferrous metals and some alloys without going to their special product range. POR15 is cheaper than rust
bullet so that is one advantage over rust bullet i guess?
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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 08:40 PM |
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oh and I couldn't get the rust bullet off the plastic cable ties I used to hold up the tank. That is how good it sticks. Even to plastic!
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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 08:43 PM |
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I like White Knight Rust guard
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| posted on January 18th, 2014 at 09:41 PM |
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POR 15 worked well for me
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| posted on January 20th, 2014 at 09:10 PM |
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Epoxy Mastic 121. Winner of an actual independant test by UK mag Classic cars i think. Tested KBS, POR15 and many other so called durable chassis
paints and the Epoxy mastic aced the lot of them.
It's an Oz company too unlike the over popularised POR15.
I used KBS on my pan before Epoxy mastic was bigger in the market place and apart from some micro-bubbling issues it has managed 3 years without any
issues bar it isn't UV stable so the colour fades but the protection isn't impaired by this.
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| posted on January 21st, 2014 at 11:04 PM |
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Thanks for the info guys. My main concern is how it will stand up to a beating off road!
Which is why I was looking at ute linings.
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| posted on January 22nd, 2014 at 08:06 AM |
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Oh just one thing I noticed, all of them seem to be epoxy based paint, RB is urethane based if that makes any difference?
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| posted on January 22nd, 2014 at 12:54 PM |
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Hey Smiley Just spoke to a paint supplier down my way he can get Raptor in for me approx $120 for 2 litres.
Has anyone used KBS I had a guy recumbent this to me but am not sure it will do what I want!
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| posted on January 22nd, 2014 at 08:24 PM |
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Hey Smiley Just spoke to a paint supplier down my way he can get Raptor in for me approx $120 for 2 litres.
Has anyone used KBS I had a guy recumbent this to me but am not sure it will do what I want!
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That's a good price. Does it come in the spray gun can?
I think it'll be the best thing to hold up to a beating offroad. POR15 will work fantastically on a road going car. But just can't stand up to the
abuse.
Especially if you really plan to use the car as an offroader.
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| posted on January 22nd, 2014 at 08:59 PM |
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I've used KBS on my pan. Pretty tuff and not had any chipping issues so far.
If you scuff it with 240 grit and then paint the truck liner on then that'll be about the best protection you get.
Still reckon the Epoxy mastic 121 is worth a look as this will be my next purchase for the interior.
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| posted on January 22nd, 2014 at 09:08 PM |
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Hey Smiley Just spoke to a paint supplier down my way he can get Raptor in for me approx $120 for 2 litres.
Has anyone used KBS I had a guy recumbent this to me but am not sure it will do what I want!
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That's a good price. Does it come in the spray gun can?
I think it'll be the best thing to hold up to a beating offroad. POR15 will work fantastically on a road going car. But just can't stand up to the
abuse.
Especially if you really plan to use the car as an offroader.
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Not sure but from what he said I think it did.
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| posted on January 23rd, 2014 at 09:19 AM |
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POR15 is very very tough when painted right, So I can't see how it wouldn't be good for off road?
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| posted on January 23rd, 2014 at 10:34 PM |
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POR15 is very very tough when painted right, So I can't see how it wouldn't be good for off road?
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Good WA pea gravel can strip the normal underside paint off most cars within 5000km.
All of it.
Gone.
Of course, it also takes off any surface rust that starts too, so it's not all bad! 
That "Rust Bullet" stuff sounds pretty good though, that's what I'll try this time round, it might have half a chance. Interestingly enough, the
best stuff I've found up until now (for longevity on the gravel) is good old-fashioned Wattyl Exterior enamel (like Solargard), just allowed to
harden up in the sun for a couple of weeks.
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| posted on January 24th, 2014 at 08:22 AM |
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I used a spoon from the kitchen to mix it. The RB does NOT come off. I was bending the spoon back and forth expecting it to crack the RB on the
bending point. The metal started to fatigue and the RB still didn't budge.
I didn't break the spoon entirely as I still need it to mix.  but it was
concluding enough to me that it is tough. I also smashed it a lot on a hammer to see if it would chip off the spoon, nope 
I am really impressed with it, The spoon was a SS cheapy one I grabbed from the draw and all I did was wash it with water and dried it before using
it.
That gives me a great idea with the colour and all. I am going to paint strip the inside of my NOS and restro'd bumpers and refinish then with this
stuff. Its exactly the same factory colour. Perfect!
Its worth a try for off road. Though I imagine a slightly rubbery paint will fair better to gravel impact as its soft. RB is not soft or rubbery, its
like powdercoat but tougher.
The bed liner is good as its thick so stones only make it partially the way though the coat. Sound deadener also work well to a certain degree,
depends on how its is applied, really needs to be a primed surface for it to stick long term.
I seen another product worth ( no pun intended) looking at is Wurth stone guard. I believe its the same stuff seen on mercs and bmw door sills.
I am looking at using on my vacationer as the sills take a flogging from dirt and gravel to the point is bare metal in some places.
I am in the process of ordering some stuff from Wurth as we speak so I will ask more info about it.
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