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 Dasdubber
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 12:41 PM |
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QLD Engineers certification - brake requirements?
Following on from the previous post regarding engineering certification for disc brake conversions...
My friend is currently in the midst of a body off resto/custom rebuild of his 58 beetle. It will be running a 2110 type I engine (which will certainly
pump out more than a 15% hp gain from the stock 36hp engine). He is at the stage where a decision has to be made on brakes.....will upgraded wide 5
drum brakes (using dual circuit master cylinder) be sufficient for registration, or will discs be necessary (at least on the front)? If discs are
required, he will most likely go for 4 wheel discs using a ford or holden pattern and run 17in wheels.
Obviously he does not want to rebuild it using drums, then get to registration time and find out that they will not pass it because of the horsepower
increase. Advice we have received thus far has been conflicting....any help would be appreciated!
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 12:56 PM |
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Queensland's rules are changing soon, but they are currently this.
There are 2 engine substitution codes, schedule A and B. Schedule A says vw can be fitted with up to a 2lt with standard front brakes.
So it will be under schedule B which will require a number of safety upgrades. You will need either front discs, or 4 wheel discs depending on what
your engineer feels is adequate.
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 01:03 PM |
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Thanks Wes, do you know when Qld's rules are changing? And if they will impact significantly on such modifications? Would it be worthwhile
talking to an engineer? If so, any recommendations here in Brissy?
Thanks, Alan
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 01:22 PM |
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somewhere near the end of the year, the engine substitution rules should be very similar, but I think schedule A may disappear.
I will U2U you an engineers details.
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 01:43 PM |
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Dasdubber
Would you feel safe with DRUM brakes...
go for the disc option, then you wont have to modify it at a later date.
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 04:31 PM |
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Thanks for the details Wes.
The drum brakes that would go in would not be of the normal stock variety, he was going to pursue a similar approach taken by Guy Harding with his 62
Targa beetle that utilises new german drums drilled for ventilation, matched shoes....etc etc. I guess he presumed that they were sufficient to pull
up the race beetle, they would be sufficient for his street driven beetle.
But you are right, discs would provide some peace of mind! No-one wants to do things twice unnecessarily!
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 05:01 PM |
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running a 2110 type I
with the above engine I am guessing we are talking a stroker and some bigger pots. The question must ba asked as to how exactly they are going to
know what engine it is in there anyway, the case numbers will be different and the heads maybe a little further from the case but to 99.9% it will
look the same.
If memory serves me correctly when Wes got his 1916 Plated the engineer asked why he was bothering as it would be very hard to know what was in there
unless it got pulled apart. bassed on that i would go with whatever brakes you are happy with. |
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 05:15 PM |
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Upgrades for a 58 Beetle
If ,however, you decide that you wish to compliance tha baove engine in the 58 you would need the following upgrades:
- engine must be less than Veh Weight x 3.0 = result in cc
- Brakes must be dual circuit system
- Seat belts must be installed for All seating positions, retractable lash sash in front. Must be new belts that meet adr's and LK1 mod code.
- Windscreen washers must be fitted
- Windscreen wipers - 2 speed fast must be 45 cycles per minute, slow at least 20. (singles can be fitted if more than 45 cycles per min)
- Windscreen demmister must be fitted
- mirrors - rear vision and drivers side
- Steering column - must be collapsible if engine is > 45% increase, is bigger than 1740 cc in the 58... this install must comply with LS1 / LS2
- indicators - flashing front and rear
- Glass must comply with auto safety standard and be marked accordingly.
These are all from the Current Code of Practice - Light Vehicles....
See why I suggested just driving it ..... and yes you may well find an engineer that is clueless who wants to look the other way... BUT when you crash
then they pull you engine apart and measure your stroke I am guessing they will check the other features... |
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 05:30 PM |
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Thanks for the info Brad, are all the things like two speed wipers, windscreen demister and rear seat belts necessary even if the vehicle wasn't
fitted with them originally? The heaters won't be connected so not sure what to do about the demister?
With the collapsible steering column, any advice with this?
Most of the other stuff seems achievable.
Thanks again
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 11:43 PM |
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Hi
Regarding the collapsible steering column, just fit a 76, 1500 or late 1300 beetle column.
1302Steve
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| posted on October 15th, 2002 at 08:14 AM |
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yes you will have to fit all those items, even though they weren't originally fitted to the vehicle. Because the 2110cc engine wasn't
originally fitted to the vehicle either.
It's all to do with safety. If your going to have a car that can keep up with a modern car, it should be as practically safe as a modern vehicle.
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| posted on October 15th, 2002 at 09:29 PM |
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Thanks everyone. Yep you are right Wes and Brad, those mods are all necessary as my mate called the engineer and he confirmed this.
Steering column problem solved (thanks 1302steve), any advice on the demister (if heater boxes aren't being used)....similarly the two speed
wipers?
Also, is the original glass sufficient (although a new laminated screen will be used)?
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| posted on October 18th, 2002 at 04:45 PM |
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upgrades
2 speed wipers - run 1500 beetle stuff, 2 speed 12v and arms that actully move water.
Demister - get a kombi booster fan and stuff it in the front, run some tubing and walla one demister, as long as there is air pushing out they will be
happy.
Although it is an interesting subject as with opening 1/4 glass windows you could argue that when you open these they force moving air onto the
screen. The rules state demmister must be fitted BUT I am pretty sure if I pull the ADR's then they define the demister and it output. Having
said that I know Beach Buggies Australia run the kombi fan on their buggies and it is just plain air and not heated. |
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| posted on October 18th, 2002 at 04:48 PM |
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the stock beetle demister isnt that bad if close off the footwell outlets
Jon
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| posted on October 19th, 2002 at 09:01 AM |
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Ne heater boxes means no air .....
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| posted on October 19th, 2002 at 10:08 AM |
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I have seen a few ads in American VW mags for heating systems using the heat from an aftermarket oil cooler. These use fans in the original ducting to
blow hot air off the cooler.
As you are using a much larger engine will you also be using a remote cooler?
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| posted on October 19th, 2002 at 11:51 AM |
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Yep, a remote oil cooler and filter will be in place.
Sounds like the two speed wipers are fairly straight forward thanks Brad
With respect to demister, what exactly is a kombi booster fan (forgive my ignorance)?
I think my mate is not intending to run any heating system.
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