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 tassupervee
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| posted on May 27th, 2004 at 09:09 PM |
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Tallest Type1 Diff Ratio?
Guys
Whats the tallest ratio diff for a type 1 barrel box.
I have the usual 4.3 & 4.1 but I was wondering iffen there was anything taller.
Reason is I have some close ratio straight cut gears but the 4th gear is 1.2:1
This is a mighty short top gear.
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[Edited on 27/5/04 by tassupervee]
[Edited on 27/5/04 by tassupervee]
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| posted on May 27th, 2004 at 09:19 PM |
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Hi
Its 3.88. Im using 3.55 1st, 2.00 2nd, 1.30 3rd and .93 4th woth a 3.88
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| posted on May 27th, 2004 at 09:32 PM |
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Cewl
What car uses that diff ratio dude?
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| posted on May 27th, 2004 at 09:57 PM |
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Hi
73 on L bugs, single side plate, careful you dont end up with a late Type 3 box, they use 4.125.
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| posted on May 28th, 2004 at 12:02 AM |
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Hi gentlemen, I use a 3.88.1 L Box Straight cuts 3.55first,2.00s,1.50,1.00with a hydraulic clutch great for short shifts,something to think about.JVL
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| posted on May 28th, 2004 at 07:14 AM |
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http://www.csp-shop.de/cgi-bin/shop2/shop_main.cgi?func=start&wkid=855035...
3.44 from OS
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| posted on May 28th, 2004 at 08:21 AM |
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? are these all IRS boxes?
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| posted on May 28th, 2004 at 09:25 AM |
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I never ended up finding out 2G
I played around with the gear calculator and compared that R&P with std L-Bug gears -vs- 3.88 R&P / L-Bug box with 0.82 4th. The 4th gear
final drive was almost a perfect match with each other, and 1st, 2nd, 3rd would have all been taller. Great for a light car with torquey motor.
But the $$ scared me off! :cry
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| posted on May 28th, 2004 at 07:00 PM |
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Guys
Excuse my ignorance here but WTF is an "L bug"
I saw '73 on but how do I identify the boxes if they are outside the car??
Im not up on this kind of stuff.....
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| posted on May 28th, 2004 at 07:43 PM |
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They are a single side cover box. Looking from the rear of the car the RHS diff side cover is cast integral with the tranny...
FWIW - 3.88 r and p and a std 1.26 3rd gets you 100mph with 205/70 s at 7000 rpm ---- or there abouts
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| posted on May 28th, 2004 at 10:45 PM |
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Hi
An L bug is a 73 - 75 bug with curved front screen, also called a 1303. The last bugs made in aus in 1976 also used a 3.88, you can easily see if the
box has 1 side palte from under the car.
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| posted on May 29th, 2004 at 12:44 AM |
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Ahh kay thanks for that info men.
I wont be running the tall third.
My gears are aftermarket straightcut things and third is about 1.5 and fourth is somewhere around 1.2 (from memory)
Thanks for the tips men
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| posted on May 30th, 2004 at 12:44 PM |
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Here's a graph showing the comparisons of an
L-bug box with 3.88 R&P -vs- L-bug box with 3.66R&P
[Edited on 30-5-2004 by 56astro]
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 09:33 AM |
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3.88 ratio gear boxes have weaker gears, maybe stick with a 4.1 and play with gear ratios.
just a thought.
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 09:52 AM |
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Should be tough enough for a formula vee tho?
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 11:18 AM |
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is it for the vee ?
and he's already using modified gears, so that should be alright
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 11:43 AM |
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Just had another thought tho, aren't the IRS diffs non transferable to S/A?
If so, get onto someone in the UK and ask for them to get hold of a "GT" beetle diff. These were UK only cars, they were swingaxle, had the 3.88
diff, but the diff was a limited slip item.
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 05:56 PM |
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Hmm all interesting food for thought.
Im using the stock 1st & 2nd gears but using straight cut close ratio third and fourth in a T1 swingaxle arse end.
The engine is a turbocharged but otherwise stock 1600 TP. Only a light blowjob. Ill keep it at 8 Lb boost pulling thru a 45mm HIF SU.
Yep, its going into the F-Vee as a play toy cum clubday car and mebbe a couple of hillclimbs just for laughs.
Since I have these straightcut 3rd & 4th gears laying about I might as well use them. Prolly wasting my time really but why the hell not?
I expect to see about 100 road wheel HP pushing less that 500 kilos so I imagine it would run out of revs pretty quickly using a 4.1 diff which will
go in in the interim.
I may even simply lock (weld) up the diff altogether rather than mess with pricey and rare(ish) LSD's. Its just a play thing remember.
Secondly, I will be using 14" Porsche wheels with more road going tyres on the thing sos I dont have to mess with stripping and remounting the Vee
tyres.
I dont yet know what type or size of tyre as yet so the rolling circumference may be a bit smaller than the RA500 Bridgestones Im racing on now.
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 09:46 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by tassupervee
Hmm all interesting food for thought.
Im using the stock 1st & 2nd gears but using straight cut close ratio third and fourth in a T1 swingaxle arse end.
The engine is a turbocharged but otherwise stock 1600 TP. Only a light blowjob. Ill keep it at 8 Lb boost pulling thru a 45mm HIF SU.
Yep, its going into the F-Vee as a play toy cum clubday car and mebbe a couple of hillclimbs just for laughs.
Since I have these straightcut 3rd & 4th gears laying about I might as well use them. Prolly wasting my time really but why the hell not?
I expect to see about 100 road wheel HP pushing less that 500 kilos so I imagine it would run out of revs pretty quickly using a 4.1 diff which will
go in in the interim.
I may even simply lock (weld) up the diff altogether rather than mess with pricey and rare(ish) LSD's. Its just a play thing remember.
Secondly, I will be using 14" Porsche wheels with more road going tyres on the thing sos I dont have to mess with stripping and remounting the Vee
tyres.
I dont yet know what type or size of tyre as yet so the rolling circumference may be a bit smaller than the RA500 Bridgestones Im racing on now.
L8tr
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Text[size=1]Does the Fvee use cable or hydraulic driven clutch ?(just thinking)JVLRacing[/size]
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 09:53 PM |
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Hydraulic
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 10:46 PM |
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Good stuff, i use hydraulic as well inthe sportsedan with straight cut gears 3.88.1no need to push clutch to the floor just dabbing almost like a air shifter.JVLRacing
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| posted on May 31st, 2004 at 10:54 PM |
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Cewl!
I have got as tough 200mm clutch made for this turbo thing so it may be a bit more than a dab, more like a stomp, but the stock 180mm clutch is light
as!
Not many Vees still use cables tho....eyeewwww!
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| posted on June 1st, 2004 at 08:19 AM |
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Yeh i run a 2300 kennedy Pressure Plate and it feels great for a hydraulic set up,Should bring the Vee to the Nambucca heads show on friday saturday to do a few laps around Raleigh Race Way for a bit of fun, its a go kart track buts a hoot of a day.JVLRac
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| posted on June 1st, 2004 at 02:59 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Good stuff, i use hydraulic as well inthe sportsedan with straight cut gears 3.88.1no need to push clutch to the floor just dabbing almost like a air
shifter.JVLRacing
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Sports sedan?!?!?! You been holding out on us, dude?  Any chance of seeing
some pics and/or a run down on it? Would have to be a new post tho, don't want to hijack this one.
Cam
[Edited on 1-6-2004 by Cam]
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| posted on June 1st, 2004 at 04:35 PM |
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Bring the 'Vee to Nambucca?
Hmmmm, fair bit of a drive from Hobart dude!
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| posted on June 1st, 2004 at 06:10 PM |
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HI Cam ,look under Racers edge look for Nationals drags best ever pg2 look for jakriz pics .JVLRacing
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Good stuff, i use hydraulic as well inthe sportsedan with straight cut gears 3.88.1no need to push clutch to the floor just dabbing almost like a air
shifter.JVLRacing
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Sports sedan?!?!?! You been holding out on us, dude? Any chance of seeing
some pics and/or a run down on it? Would have to be a new post tho, don't want to hijack this one.
Cam
[Edited on 1-6-2004 by Cam]
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| posted on June 1st, 2004 at 06:17 PM |
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This one? :o
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&ti...
...wow!!!
[Edited on 1-6-2004 by Cam]
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| posted on June 1st, 2004 at 07:24 PM |
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Looking at that Kraut, how mad would it look with about a 4 inch chop to the roof!!
crikey!
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| posted on June 1st, 2004 at 11:02 PM |
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Never in hiding just under wraps.JVLRacing
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| posted on June 1st, 2004 at 11:05 PM |
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Not very mad at allYEH HA!JVLRacing
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Looking at that Kraut, how mad would it look with about a 4 inch chop to the roof!!
crikey!
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