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 gayanne
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| posted on January 8th, 2005 at 12:05 PM |
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VW and SUBIE the reason why we are choosing Subie over Vw
The reason i have posted this topic is to see are we making the right choice and for what reason?JVLRacing
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| posted on January 8th, 2005 at 12:24 PM |
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Power, give me POWER!
" You're not a team player "
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| posted on January 8th, 2005 at 01:47 PM |
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power, reliability easily assessable performance parts, standard parts available at most auto spare shops at reasonable prices etc, etc
I don’t have a subie motor I’ve got a Holden v8 but same principle
YOU HAVE JUST BEEN DAKED
don't worry it's a VW thing
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mmmm....let me see.....
Benefits of Subaru power:
1. Subaru boxer engines are literally 50 YEARS ahead of air-cooled VW boxers in design and technology.
2. They run smoother and rev better.
3. They have two more main bearings than a VW boxer and a full flow oiling system.
4. They feature EFI, electronic engine management and multiple camshafts/valves per cylinder as standard.
5. They are plentiful and parts are easily available.
6. They are reliable.
7. They are naturally under stressed and so make a great engine for mild to wild performance modifications.
8. There are lots of aftermarket tuning parts available.
And most importantly...
9. Dollar for dollar they are cheaper and more reliable than a VW boxer engine of the same capacity/power rating.
I think that sums it up, :thumb
p.s. I worked this out before writing my subaru conversion page, http://www.geocities.com/peterwood734/buggyproject/subarupower.html
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| posted on January 8th, 2005 at 03:29 PM |
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Hi Guys,
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents. I have owned a vw in one form or another since 1986 and I love vw's. But at the same time I hate the fact that
eventually they start to leak oil and require a ton of upkeep. The vw is old and out-dated and require alot of work to get a fraction or the
horsepower that a STOCK subaru engine has. Why bother? For around a thousand dollars you an get a motor that is a modern, reliable engine. I like the
idea of something new. Doing the conversion was a new challenge and it reminded me of the old days when I first got into vw's and buggy's. I learned
so much stuff! I never thought that I would own a buggy that needed a laptop to tune. Don't get me wrong, I will always have a soft spot in my heart
for the mighty air cooled wonder but it was time for an update! Hitler is probablly pissed but thats because he never drove a subaru powered buggy.
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| posted on January 8th, 2005 at 05:31 PM |
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http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=81002&highlight=subaru
VW car, VW engine ...... keepin it "real"
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RENNWAGEN
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| posted on January 8th, 2005 at 11:13 PM |
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I noticed that was posted in the type 4 forums try conversion perversions and I'm sure you will find alot of people who are happy with their subie
motors.
[Edited on 8-1-2005 by RENNWAGEN]
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| posted on January 9th, 2005 at 08:43 PM |
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the subaru motors might be far more advanced than vws air and water flat fours, but what about the golf motors?
they have some very nice inline fours!
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| posted on January 9th, 2005 at 09:20 PM |
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Need I say more?...
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/V6_baja/compare.html
PS - some of those people at shoptalk are retards. Besides, here in Australia half cuts of jap imports are cheap and readily available compared to the
US. You can get a whole suby front cut for under $2000.
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| posted on January 9th, 2005 at 09:43 PM |
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Bajawes Just love it ,love the stats and love the comment about retards.Plenty comments for the subie motor not much support on the vw motor.JVLRacing
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| posted on January 9th, 2005 at 10:36 PM |
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I agree with everything said so far, but in favour of aircooled, VW engine is lighter.. less weight behind rear axle, generally better ground
clearance, power to weight difference not as bad as you think... I would still get a subi engine though.
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
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| posted on January 10th, 2005 at 07:57 AM |
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I took the ex Porsche Club President for a long drive yesterday. His comments were "My 911's have a real sweet spot in 2nd & third gear, but
this thing has sweet spots eveywhere", then towards the end of our drive I was able to walk away from a new v8 ute, uphill, short shifting! the
comment was, "I've been in alot of Porsches Jak, I liken the tourqe & power of this to a 993 RS Turbo that I once had" & I could hear him
speak since the car is so quiet.
I love vw engines but whatever puts a smile on your dial at the end of the day is what counts.
regards
Jak
Oh & head gaskets can be had for as little as $58 & it should take about a day to fit them.
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| posted on January 10th, 2005 at 08:32 PM |
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didnt think they would be expensive. what are those toold on STF talking about then?
Anthony
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| posted on January 11th, 2005 at 08:31 AM |
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yeah a lot of the guys on STF are a bit silly. What is it with yanks and draw thru carb turbos????
I also agree with what has been said about EJ20T's etc. I dont know why people go on about how expensive parts are because I'm guessing you'll
never have to change them as often as a VW motor.
Only thing that would be stopping me is that I'm not keen on cutting out the body of an early beetle to fit it
Jon
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| posted on January 12th, 2005 at 12:03 AM |
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All you have to remember is....
"STICK IT WHERE IT FITS!"
And it "FITS" best in the back of a Dub!
I love the old Air-coolers for there simplicity and history and sound, but a EJ20T'ed VW on full tilt, (getting 40mpg plus anyway you drive it)
passing a brand new HSV Banana will always get me rev'ed up!
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| posted on January 13th, 2005 at 11:34 AM |
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a EJ20T will be my major next investment im just yound love the sound of subie motors love hearing the turbo spool up and love stirring up holdens in
a kombi!!
after that it will be airbag suspension!
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd
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| posted on January 13th, 2005 at 08:26 PM |
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hehe its amazing how no-one else is choosing rotary over VW :p.
why is it i seem to be the only one?
Anthony
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| posted on January 14th, 2005 at 04:50 PM |
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rotories are s@#*  :vader:vader:vader there to unreliable for our VW's:vader:vader:vader:vader:vader
it aint just cool its aircool'd
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| posted on January 14th, 2005 at 04:58 PM |
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just ask quickcamper how his rotor bay went, pulled a 13 second 1/4 mile with wheel spin, he got 400 + hp at the rear wheels.
YOU HAVE JUST BEEN DAKED
don't worry it's a VW thing
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| posted on January 14th, 2005 at 08:19 PM |
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yeah i know they go well. which is why i dont udnerstand why not many people use them.
Anthony
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| posted on January 14th, 2005 at 11:01 PM |
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Soobs sound so good and rotaries ,um, don't.
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| posted on January 15th, 2005 at 10:35 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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hehe its amazing how no-one else is choosing rotary over VW :p.
why is it i seem to be the only one?
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That's off-topic and should be covered in a seperate thread.
Try and keep it to subaru over vw.
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| posted on January 15th, 2005 at 07:53 PM |
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If you were having the dramas I've been having this arvo, you'ld definately choose the subaru! Seriously though, I've spent heaps of money on my
type 1 motor and it doesn't have nearly as much power as a Subie. It also seems that every time I drive it I have to adjust something
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| posted on January 15th, 2005 at 08:49 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Beaker
It also seems that every time I drive it I have to adjust something
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That's part of the charm of owning a v-dub.
VW car, VW engine ...... keepin it "real"
35MPG on 101.3kPa
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| posted on January 15th, 2005 at 08:51 PM |
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The charm wears off at times :cussing
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| posted on January 21st, 2005 at 05:40 PM |
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whats involved in putting the ej20t into a t3 square?
what do u have to install to the car to make it work? and after u use the adaptor plate so the engine goes onto the gearbox...i have to get an
engineer to weld up engine mounts?
jonno
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| posted on January 21st, 2005 at 06:03 PM |
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what is involved in putting an ej20t intoa 67 split screen bus?:duh
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 01:26 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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what is involved in putting an ej20t intoa 67 split screen bus?:duh
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Im only guessing Cappo but ide say a 12inch anle grinder and a pair of goggles :jesus |
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| posted on January 23rd, 2005 at 01:50 AM |
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the RTA class a rotary as a 2 stroke so they multiply the CC,s so the engine capacity ends up being to large over 3 litres in vic at the moment theres
no weight x 2.5 or 3 but late model engines have to run orignal ecu and orignal rotary wire looms are a pain to rewire and thats from a rotary
guru.I,m using a ej20t due to the cost of building a high horse power type 4 and also the reliablity factor as the car needs to be a daily driver
also faster than my wifes car.
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| posted on January 24th, 2005 at 07:14 AM |
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Don't need to buy the lead replacement addative and EFI with cat converter is more environmentally friendly.
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