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| posted on November 3rd, 2005 at 06:33 PM |
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i think its pinging
hey everyone i need some help, i have a 1776 with a single weber 40 twin throte and a 009 dizzy and the car runs smooth at idle and between 4000-5000
rpm and between idle and about 2000 rpm but after that it seems to ping, its a really bad tapping noise, it doesn't do it in neutral and if you half
throttle it then it starts at 2500 and stops at 3000 then if you full throttle it after that its fine
i need help, any ideas will be good
thanks everyone
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| posted on November 3rd, 2005 at 07:43 PM |
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Everyone has an answer but pinging is caused by
* too far advanced
* too higher comoression ratio
* not enough octane
* stuffed dizzy
pining mostly happens under load. You hear most small korean cars do it taking off at traffic lights - especially if they have only slowed and not
stopped.
You get the idea.
The first thing i would do is give it a good tune
Valves, points and timing. In that order
Get a timing light and make sure your 009 doent go past 30 degrees.
Others will say not to go past 32 - others 28.
Whatever get a figure that is the upper limit.
Put higher octane gas in there. Shell 98 maybe
Still doing it???
See what happens
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| posted on November 4th, 2005 at 02:42 AM |
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i have already done all of it except the timing light at different rpm. i set it at 0 degrees at idle, could it be jumping 30 degrees during higher
rpm, i already use the bp ultimate (98) so i guess it wouldn't be that and i have made the compression higher but i dunno. thanks for the help, ill
try the timing light again and see what happens.
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| posted on November 4th, 2005 at 09:05 AM |
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set static timing to 7.5degrees BTDC.
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| posted on November 4th, 2005 at 09:41 AM |
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It sounds like you are leaning out more than anything else.
Give it a good service that will help.
Then go and get some bigger main jets to fatten it up in the mid range and a bigger air correction to take out the extra fuel in the high range that
you just put in.
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| posted on November 5th, 2005 at 08:31 PM |
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There a lot of details missing before any real accurate advice could be offered. We'd need to know the compression ratio, cam, ignition setup, spark
plug type, distributor type and carburation etc...
Assuming you've got standard heads your compression will be close 8 to 8:2 is to one. If you've got dual carbs with any luck you'll also have a
mechanical advanvce distributor. You should be able to get away with 15 degrees BTDC at 800rpm idle and 40-45 degrees total advancewith 98 octane.
Most vacuum advance distributors don't work properly with dual carbs. You might also have a leaking vacuum line or a stuffed diaphram in your vac
distributor if you've got one... good reason to go with a 009.
I run 18 degrees advanve just off idle with no issues at all. That 7.5 degrees at idle stuff was for back in the dark ages when octane ratings were
less than 90... 
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| posted on November 6th, 2005 at 03:54 AM |
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Dude,ide set the timing like has been said before at 28-30 max advance with a strobe and let the idle advance fall wherever,OR SO IVE HEARD,sorry tooo
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| posted on November 6th, 2005 at 03:59 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by VDubya
It sounds like you are leaning out more than anything else.
Give it a good service that will help.
Then go and get some bigger main jets to fatten it up in the mid range and a bigger air correction to take out the extra fuel in the high range that
you just put in.
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| posted on November 6th, 2005 at 09:42 AM |
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sorry to hijack but ian im glad u have posted in this thread.
i had beening running about 14 BTDC on my engine with 009 running 98 octane and was told that i would have all these problems by everyone. (problems i
hadnt had) and so ive whacked my timing back to 7.5degrees BTDC but i might advance it a bit now.
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| posted on November 7th, 2005 at 07:52 AM |
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It could be something else - like a loose nut or tinware or something that is resonating at certain RPM...?
Not much chance of pinging on a 'free revving' engine..
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| posted on November 7th, 2005 at 12:50 PM |
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sorry about this but i feel stupid, it is running a single weber, 40dcn and it has counterwieght crank and rods and lightened flywheel, it has
recently had a service and has been put on an sensor and is running perfect at all rpm. stock cam, etc. i recently took the large off road wheels off
and had to replace them with stock ones and it seems to be doing it only when it is cold. would the timing change under different load conditions and
how do you set max advance etc, im not a competant machanic yet but am learning. ( im also not very competant at spelling so forgive the mistakes)
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| posted on November 7th, 2005 at 12:57 PM |
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when ur engine is cold u might get more tappet noise are u sure its not this that you are hearing?
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| posted on November 7th, 2005 at 11:20 PM |
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If you've got a 009 distributor (no diaphram on the side of it), hook up the timing light and adjust your timing to 34-36 degrees when reving it at
3500. This will ensure the distrubutor is fully mechanically advanced as full advance is reached at 2800-3000 depending on the 009. Running the 009
distributor this far advanced helps eliminate that "flat spot" that a lot of people complain about with mechanical advance distributors. With this
advance it will idle around 15-17 degrees btdc.
You can easily run as high as 40 degrees BTDC total advance with 98 octane. I've seen 45 degrees on 10.5:1 CR motors with bp ultimate but I prefer
keeping it a little more sane with lower compression engines.
If you've got a stock vacuum advance distributor (round disc on the side of the dist, with hose to the carb)you need to set your idle timing to 15
degrees, and then rev the motor and watch it advance to ensure it is advancing the timing properly. It should go to full advance with the throttle is
opened. Don't over rev the engine though. Safer still , you can
also pull the hose off the diaphram that goes from the carb to the distributor. This will cause the diaphram to go to full advance, which can also be
34-36 degrees. If the timing doesn't advance when the hose is removed, this means the hose is split or your distributor timing advance diaphram is
leaking.
This should sort you out unless its not pinging.
Other things to check are tappets as Anthiron suggested. Also look for exhaust gasket leaks and check your exhaust nuts are firmly tightened. Slip fit
headers like those used on buggies sometimes don't seal all that well and can make some wierd noises too.
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