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| posted on March 12th, 2006 at 01:35 PM |
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electric fuel pumps
after noon all,
i seem to have no luck with fuel pumps i've had 3 die on various vws ive owned over the last 6 years
i've also had no luck finding new german ones either or rebuild kits for them
so im thinking about an electric pump
my rotabug has some sort of universal repco pump but it runs an 8mm fuel line as well as a tank return line but a local vw mechanic has said i need to
fit a shut off solenoid so that if i park up hill my sump doesnt end up full of petrol
can anyone shed any light on this for me is it necessary on modern pumps
thanks
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btw its for a standardish (twin solexs) 1600 Lbug
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| posted on March 12th, 2006 at 05:51 PM |
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Well, there might be something in this, but this presumes that the needle/seat/float assembly in the carb leaks badly enough, but, christ, it'd have
to be a seriouly damaged needle and seat to be concerned with fuel making it into the sump enough to bother you.
If that was an issue, id be more concerned with the totally flooded engine first.
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 12:08 AM |
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I personally would be wiring this the fuel pump in such a way that it only runs while engine is running/ignition on.
I would also have a cutoff switch, this does two things firstly allows you to turn the pump off manually but also a thieft deterant. Like
tassupervee, states if you needle and seat are good you shouldnt have too much of a problem. the other thing is that with electric pump you do have
the ability to beat the needle and seat. if you install a pressure reg you will be able to adjust the pressure the carby has. most carbies like max
7 psi. SU's like no more than 3psi and webers 4psi. As long as you take the normal precautions (regulator and relay) all should be fine. You do
nto need a high pressure pump but a high volume.
Besides. to full you sump there has to be heaps that goes wrong there. I would be concerned about other things before that. Almost seems that the
person does nto understand what a needle and seat let alone a float does.
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 05:51 AM |
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i run an electric pump on my bug and have actually filled 2 cylinders with fuel on a hill. so i had a cut out switch wired in and fed from the oil
pressure sender. so the pump wouldnt start unless there was oil pressure there and that was achieved in the first few kicks of the engine
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 06:06 AM |
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so the pump wouldnt start unless there was oil pressure there and that was achieved in the first few kicks of the engine
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Great idea Barls must remember that one.
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 09:30 AM |
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thanks dave it took a while to figure it out and meant that we didnt have to buy a special relay for it
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 09:50 AM |
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Yer that is an excellent suggestion.
However, id personally be inclined to use the oil pressure switch to pull in a dedicated relay for the pump.
Just a concession to the longevity of the switch contacts that were only really intended to pull in a 3 watt dash light.
A pedantic point I know but Im pedantic i spose!!! ;-P
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 12:40 PM |
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Yes love the idea but like super I would be running a relay. For the extra cost it is not worth mucking around, as you know it will let you down and
teh worst possible moment. I still would recommend a regulator as well.
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 03:04 PM |
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i had also planned on using the oil pressure switch for the pump relay,
anyone know where to find these cut off vavles?
the mechanic that told me about this said try somewhere like elgas or some other gas supplies place
thanks
Joel
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 03:06 PM |
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i've also heard of someone with a gemini using the alternator output for powering a relay only when the engines running
Joel
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 03:16 PM |
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I recently installed a Carter rotary pump in my kombi to replace the dodgy stock pump. So far so good! When I looked into it the issues were that
there are apparently a lot of cheap, noisy electric fuel pumps and you were better off with the more expensive and quieter rotary ones. You also need
to make sure it runs at about 3 - 3.5 psi.
I power mine from a relay on the alternator light line. This means the pump only runs when the engine is running, which is handy in an accident!
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 04:29 PM |
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posted by DUB74L
i've also heard of someone with a gemini using the alternator output for powering a relay only when the engines running
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Hi
That is the standard setup for Geminis from the factory, only problem is if your alernator stops working so does the car, I have got many Geminis
going (just to get home or to a sparky) by hot wiring the pump to the tailight.
I ran a Facet pump on my bug for years, it was mounted very low under the fuel tank, about mastercylinder height so I never had any issues with the
sump filling up.
I like Barls idea with oil light switch.
Early Jags had their contact points wired into the oil pressure cicuit, the points acted like a kill switch until there was oil pressure.
Steve
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 04:45 PM |
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I got a switch for mine, thats meant for LPG installs. It runs off the coil. When you prime the ignition it will prime the pump for a few secs. The
switch senses sparks from the coil, so once the time in between them becomes to great it kills the pump. Eg if the engine dies the pump is killed. It
was only $30 or so.
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
Go hard or go home!!!!
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| posted on March 13th, 2006 at 10:07 PM |
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Well, I had a sump filled with petrol from parking my kombi on an uphill slope overnight! Actually it's happened to me twice. I am assuming that
gravity has acted on the electric pump mechanism which has allowed fuel to pass through it, then the needle and seat on my RHS carby had also leaked
and allowed fuel to drain into the cylinders on one side. Then I guess the fuel seeped past the rings and filled the case with oil. Result was
hydraulic lock when I tried to start the engine. It just wouldn't turn over. Had to pull the plugs and crank the motor to blow the fuel out of the
cylinders as well as change the oil! DON'T EVER DO THIS WITHOUT REMOVING THE COIL + WIRE OR THE SPARK WILL IGNITE THE SPILT / BLOWN OUT FUEL!!! Yes
that did happen to me and it was no fun at all...
I'd planned to fit a solenoid operated cutout into the fuel line before the pump but haven't yet. I just reverse up the driveway instead and all is
good. The best setup would include a fuel pressure regulator as well as a fuel cutoff device. Then again hindsight is a wonderful thing!
Cheers!
Toby
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| posted on March 14th, 2006 at 09:59 AM |
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an lpg gas shop will have a good cuoff that can be wired from the coil + ve
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