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 Fireball xl5
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| posted on August 13th, 2006 at 10:20 PM |
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Subaru into a 69 square?
been thinking about making the type 3 go faster and was half thinking about a subaru conversion. The only thing is I want to keep the back flat as we
use the car as a station wagon, so the engine will have to fit under the floor. Is this possible and has anyone done it?
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 08:08 AM |
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posted by Fireball xl5
been thinking about making the type 3 go faster and was half thinking about a subaru conversion. The only thing is I want to keep the back flat as we
use the car as a station wagon, so the engine will have to fit under the floor. Is this possible and has anyone done it?
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I think it can be done. Subarus fit into Vanagons easily and those engines were pretty flat.
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 08:45 AM |
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You will need to construct a taller sealed and soundproofed engine cover; the engine does not fit below the floorline
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 10:09 AM |
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thanks for that, the one rule I had about the conversion was to have no hump in the floor unfortunatley, but will have to work out just how big it
will have to be, and go from there.
what engines do people use mostly?
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 10:16 AM |
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You will need a hump/lifted floor of around 150mm (6 inches). Plenty of info on here about DOHC Subie engines (EJ series as used from mid-90s to now)
into Bugs and Type 3s etc
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 11:09 AM |
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Hi
Here is some info that may help with the decision making
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=46066&page=1#pid429694
(made up of the typical banter that you see on here 
(actually it ain't that useful at all...)
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http://www.warnercnr.colostate.edu/~kevinlh/type3_conversion_to_subaru.htm
Some fellow in the states that did the conversion.
Cheers
Jeremy
[ Edited on 14-8-2006 by Jeza ]
......random gibberish for today.......
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 12:04 PM |
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just a thought - how much more power are you looking for? maybe the earlier (simpler) subis such as the ea81 may take up less room?
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 12:39 PM |
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SR20 n/a 140hp
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 01:33 PM |
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Think the hump will be an issue, we use the car as a wagon with stuff in the back, and a 6" hump would ruin the space, maybe just a 2ltr engine from
a camper may be the less space consuming option.
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 01:58 PM |
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The hump will be to big, we usae our type3 as a wagon and often stack it to the roof when off racing, the option may now be a 2ltr aircooled lump.
bugger
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 05:35 PM |
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dont do it, keep it real. Subaru engines are rubbish
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| posted on August 14th, 2006 at 06:52 PM |
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you will also lose front boot space as the spare tyre will need to go there to make way for a radiator.
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| posted on August 15th, 2006 at 07:36 AM |
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Get a set of empi style timber racks, you maybe able to get the cover a bit lower, so you could do either a total false floor, so its not awkward, or
just have a small hump over the high point probable not much bigger than an ice cream container.
As for subaru motors being rubbish.... cheaper, modern, reliable, fuel efficient and power...lots more power.
In saying that... if you can get a 2 litre bus engine cheap, it will probably serve you purpose pretty well.
Good luck with your choice regardless.
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| posted on August 15th, 2006 at 02:09 PM |
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how easly do 2ltr engines go in?
is it new engine mounts etc, or is it a bolt straight in job?
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| posted on August 15th, 2006 at 02:28 PM |
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wow, just went and measured my ea81 scoobi engine in my kombi and then the engine bay of the type3 wagon, cant believe how small they are! the wagons
have, what 20cm from the middle of the engine to the underside of the engine lid? even my old subi has at least 30cm from centre of engine to top of
air filter!
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| posted on August 15th, 2006 at 04:16 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Fireball xl5
The hump will be to big, we use our type3 as a wagon and often stack it to the roof when off racing, the option may now be a 2ltr aircooled lump.
bugger
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by bus914
you will also lose front boot space as the spare tyre will need to go there to make way for a radiator.
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Yes you will loose some space, but there is another matter to consider. When you convert the car to subaru water cooled you get a whole bunch of
advantages.
For one, it's quieter inside and a lot smoother to drive.
Two, you can install aircon and a real heater, which may sound stupid, but it makes the journey so much nicer.
Three, with a bus motor you always have to worry about temp, the rotten carbies (which never stay in tune) and burnt valves, and parts are not real
easy to get in the bush. Type 4 motors are getting old and are expensive to rebuild.
Four, EJ motors come with a 75amp alternator from memory, so bung on four super oscars like I did.
Five, with an ej22 you could put a roof rack on top and a trailer on the back. Brad towed a double axle car trailer (with a small tractor on it) all
the way from melbourne to brisbane in his EJ22 powered ute.
Six, install cruise control and make it even more comfortable and fuel efficient. Food for thought.
Now if on the other hand you can get a cheap 2l in good nic then go ahead and put it in, but the subaru is a much better package in the long run.
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dont do it, keep it real. Subaru engines are rubbish
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What the? You were gonna put a subie in ya splitta 10 minutes ago Deano. Chicken. :P
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| posted on August 15th, 2006 at 06:49 PM |
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Would really love a subaru turbo engine but with the intercooler im not sure where you could put it. Is there a kit you can buy with all the mounting
hardware to fit, engine mounts adapters etc. Been talking with my beloved adn she is not to bothered about what engine the car has, as long as it is
not that loud, and isnt to wacky racers.
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| posted on August 15th, 2006 at 07:15 PM |
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Dude, an ej22 is what you want. There are a few companies who can sell you everything you need bar the engine mounts and radiator stuff.
Alternatively, Quickfit motorsport in Hornsby ( http://www.quickfitmotorsport.com.au/ ) can do your loom for you or the whole conversion. Boof (Matt) in Dural could do
also the whole conversion. Custom Offroad could sell you a part kit.
If you go EJ20 turbo the car will be very quick, but you will eat a gearbox eventually unless you drive like a grandma, and we both know you won't
with a turbo motor. Stick with the common atmo motor and buy a complete motor/loom/ecu from a wrecker. Spare parts can be bought at repco or any
subaru dealer in Aust (make sure it is not an import motor).
Ej22 + Lbug gearbox + Squareback = nice streetable car with highway legs and bags of lowdown torque.
If you like I'll take you for a spin in my EJ25 buggy and show you just how smooth it is. The EJ22 is only a fraction less powerful. U2U me and
we'll tee up a time. Heck, come over for a barby on saturday and have a look see.
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| posted on August 15th, 2006 at 11:46 PM |
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he's right about the gearbox bit!
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| posted on August 16th, 2006 at 02:13 PM |
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thanks for the barby offer but off to the zoo with my neice on saturday. but would be great to see just how fast the type 3 could be...
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| posted on August 16th, 2006 at 06:00 PM |
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the qu is, how fast can you spend. coz it all comes down to cash. if you go turbo expect to shell out for a strong gearboxat some stage and that's
upwards of $2500 on top of the brake upgrades you'll need for the engineering certificate.
But really, an ej20T is a compromise if you really want to go fast. After all, you can now legally fit and ECOTEC V6. But wait, that's still not on
the limit. How about a 4litre lexus V8 coz that's legal. In fact, I believe the newer LS430 4.3litre V8 engine is legal too. It's 290hp standard and
I dare say it's been tuned rather conservatively. Let's not even talk about the amount of torque it may produce.
OR you could go up to 2.7l turbo charged which leaves a myriad of motors to choose from including rotors. But heck it's all about speed and money.
THe sky is the limit. The more power, the more gearbox/brake/chassis upgrades you need and the closer to a divorce you'll be.
Or, you could go with the EJ22 which shouldn't kill an Lbug box and will surprise lots of people and drive really nicely. It will also cost less than
a VW motor of comparable size and power output.
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| posted on August 16th, 2006 at 08:34 PM |
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a member of this forum has a suby in a fastback, his signature text suggests that it eats current model porsches.
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| posted on August 16th, 2006 at 10:31 PM |
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looks a bit like this
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| posted on August 16th, 2006 at 10:54 PM |
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or this....
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| posted on August 16th, 2006 at 11:19 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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dont do it, keep it real. Subaru engines are rubbish
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be fucked they are
but i see your piont go and spend thousands on your aircooled motor to go fast and still not be as reliable and have as much power as a subaru
standard motor
and i supose you speaking from experience, arnt you?
be quiet
anyone who says it's bad to put subaru motors in vw's.....
hasnt got a clue about smoooooooooth
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| posted on August 17th, 2006 at 08:20 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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or this....
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damn! that engine bays almost as messy as mine :P shows how small those type 3 bays are, you could lose that engine in a kombi engine bay!
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