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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 08:47 PM |
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NEED HELP WITH ENGINE OVERHAUL!!
HEy all....
BAd news my bettle died on me today. even worth it's my family car and i got no money to fix it. from my research i think it needs a complete
overhaul and new clutch. I'm not a mechanic and don't know anything about it but i'm wanting to learn and that car was suppose to be my
project..... but all is too soon i'm broke and so is my partner. can any one suggest anything? i was hoping to do the work myself with some help but
i have no garage or tools as i'm renting.
Please ppl help i need a solution soon. thnx
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:06 PM |
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abit more info as to what happened when it died might be helpful
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:21 PM |
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car started playing up :
as i accelerated the car would start to loose power and felt like it was being kicked. then when reached a certain speed with certain gears it would
stop.. during it's last breath it just starting doing it all the time and when putting in neutral while slawing down (such as at a traffic light) the
engine would shut itself off. from what i have researched sound like the main bearings or rod?
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:36 PM |
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could be just as simple as a blocked fuel filter.
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:41 PM |
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it doesn't start up anymore... anyway i need some suggestions as to what i can check without extensive need of tools as i'm very limited in that
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:42 PM |
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bad bearings etc usually are accompanied with lots of horrible knocks and clunks
it could just be something stupid like coil or fuel pump dying or carb blocking up, tight valves etc
was the engine going fine before that? using oil etc
grab the crank pulley and see if u can move it in and out at all
more than 0.5mm or so ur engine aint looking to healthy
hth
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:43 PM |
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if you can afford it, buy some manuals, it will be your best first investment for your project e.g "bentley official service manual", "haynes
manual" and "keeping your volswagen alive for the compleat idiot" (that's actaully a name of a manual)
do a search on amazon and you will get details on price, etc
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:44 PM |
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what yr is it as some early ones pre60 had no fuel filters
lter ones have fuel filter in the fuel pump
a 13 mm brass nut should be there and if u take it off u will see if its dirty.
then how clean is the tank ??? these have 4 bolts holding it in and older ones u could shine atorch in the fillr neck and se if clean.
back to early engines with no filter ...mhhh u should find a14 mm brass nut on the left side of the carbie and
a) see if fuel
b) see if dirt comes out.
definiately clean the tank
c)the pump may have a problem esp. if 36 hp (screw in type)
try these things and get back to us fella.
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:46 PM |
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if u got a decent set of insulated pliers pull the high tension lead (middle one) of the dizzy cap and hold it about 10mm from the something metal on
the engine and have someone crank the motor over
see if u have a nice fat yellow spark
if yes then time to check the fuel system out
-Joel
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:58 PM |
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ok i'll check all that tomorrow thanx you guys. it's a 1969 1500 does have a fuel filter and the car was running fine (but i did push it a liltle
this week taking off a bit faster than usual)
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 09:59 PM |
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one more thing just before it died it smelled like burnt oil.
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 10:12 PM |
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Ours has always smelt like burnt oil.
What suburb are you in?
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 10:18 PM |
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ormond
but mine never did smell like it.
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| posted on November 3rd, 2006 at 10:28 PM |
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mine never smelt like Ormond or Ringwood !!
burnt oil cause maybe drips of oil onto the exhaust
maybe if u were revvin it lots the old seals on the oilcooler cause that.(perished ??)
check for oil marks on the ground. hwere they are left/right/ middle etc
Electrially rotor button may need to be checked.
do it all tomorrow
print this page out and do it step by step.
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 06:14 PM |
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Have a look here http://www.vw-resource.com/car_wont_start.html#rotates luck dude :thumb
Dont listen to what they say,just watch what they do.Oh yeah ive NEVER finished anything ive started.:o
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 08:09 PM |
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ok checked my filter: it's got bit ofd dirt but i think that's over the years. also i opened the distributor cap to find that the rotor tip is burnt
and broken (need replacement?) as for the coil it made blueish yellow sparck but not sure if it wasn't too weak due to the rotor? i was wondering
what do ppl think of the 009 distributor? i hear good and bads.. but for me i don't know if it will suit my needs. (wanting to convert to baja) but
also use it as a daily driver. i heard it wasn't too wise for city driving? anyway car started today and drove fine but stilll had difficulties
accelerating. could it be the rotor? carb?\
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 08:14 PM |
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009`s are fine i have one in my bus and have no probs, and it maybe your coil going west ????? does it breakdown once it gets the car has run for a
while??
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 08:57 PM |
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hm well that was the first time it did i checked the fuel pump and all is good. i'll replace the rotor when i can
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 09:30 PM |
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so check the oil
and replace the rotor and check the points too.
then u should put a carbie kit* through it.
I had a terrible prob in Mt Isa with a solex carb....always thought it was the heat.
No guts no start .....
when i undid needle and seat i found a piece of clear teflon
had worked its way in there and almost invisible it
was blocking off the fluel flow under strain.
that car was a reborn rocket after the abortion..
ie take top off carbie underneath the top is a brass nut ..remove and it should blow air through only one way.
check bottomm of carb for dirt etc and clean
take care with gasket OR install a new one * (= carbie kit)
take care not to loose any of the float bits
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 09:44 PM |
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thanx for the tip!!!
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| posted on November 4th, 2006 at 11:23 PM |
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if your coil gave a blue spark then its tip top.....if it was orange or yellow then its on its way out.
get a new rotor button, new points, new condensor, new fuel filter, new spark plugs
check the rob and daves website for instructions on tuning.then....
set your points to .006"
set your points gap at .016"
set your timing to 7.5 BTDC static if you dont have a strobe or 30 degrees max at about 3000RPM
then take your carby off and take the top off carefully without ruining the gasget or else as bernie said u will need a rebuild kit.
drain the float bowl as he has mentioned also and unscrew the main jet which u can see if u look down the plug hole. blow this out and clean bowl with
some fuel or thinners and replace the jet. do the same with the idle jet brass thing with a flat screw head at the top of the venturi to the front.
and do the same. unscrew your fuel cut off solinoid and clean it up and whack it back in. undo the needle and seat valve from the top peice of the
carby and check it like bernie said. then put it all back together and back onto the engine (you were careful with those gasgets werent you? and you
can reuse them?)
now screw your mixture screw all the way in and then out 2.5 turns (im assuming you have a 30 pict carby)
now start your engine (i bet it goes now!)
fine tune the carby by listening to the revs raising and falling with the turns, turn it out, then in, then out again untill u find the highest peak
in revs and then turn it out a little more and thats about where u want it.
did i miss anything?
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 01:44 PM |
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before doing all that today i cleaned up the spark lpug eccept for the 2nd one on the left as i could'nt get it out... i didn't want to force it
too much so i don't breake it i had a test drive and all went well (10 min drive not enough but good enough for me) i still have to get a new rotor
and probably check everething that u guys have suggested. coil wise i pprobably will have to change it soon..... are they all the same? what do you
guys recomand?
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 05:17 PM |
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shoot some oil down to nr 2 spark plug with an oil can
or crc/wd40 until it budges
broken ones can come out with an easy out.
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| posted on November 5th, 2006 at 10:31 PM |
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ok i'll try that thx
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| posted on November 6th, 2006 at 12:21 AM |
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checked carby all was good how can i see if there is a hole in the fuel pipe?
(like air could get in?) and also is there a fuel filter under the fuel tank and at the back with the engine?(i see the one in the engine but i read
somewhere that there should be one under the feul tank)
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| posted on November 6th, 2006 at 12:33 PM |
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also i dont' know what distributor i have how do i know as i need new rotor?
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| posted on November 6th, 2006 at 01:01 PM |
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Dissy numbers
Learner,
On your dissy there are numbers that are like
231 xxx 034 or something like that. Go to http://www.oldvolkshome.com and look up
the number. That site lists replacement part no's and a VW shop can supply.
Half my post disappeared?
Ctefeh
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| posted on November 6th, 2006 at 09:11 PM |
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a hole in fuel pipe would mean u smell fuel
even the rubber hose would be damp.
no flter on the tank usually in early mods but it may g=have debri, flked paint, and rust flakes accumulated over 40 yrs so clean it out when low on
fuel tip fuel in a bucket and keep rinsing it out with say another litre of fuel
each time you can pour it in the bucky and the slowly save the fuel without debri etc u ma see water droplets also in the biucket bottom...do not
reuse that grimey stuff
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| posted on November 7th, 2006 at 10:27 AM |
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duh makes sence now thanx heeps guys i wish i could just find as helpfull ppl as you guys in melbourne without paying a Heft price!!!!
aanyway i think i'm starting to build up more confindance now so .... we'll see how i go about doing it all.....
also i got another question......
COils and distibutors.....
I might have to change mine soon as the sparck wasn't that clean ( not so blue) and as the distributor looks like the original..... i don't think
i'll replace it just yet but want to do some research on it.. what do you guys suggest i heard about the 009 and the mdf? and another one aswell as
pheonix something.... as for the coils there so many... what is suggested? is there one recomanded for off road(though i doubt it as i can alwasy dust
proof it myself i guess)
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| posted on November 8th, 2006 at 02:51 PM |
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I have always used a 009 + a blue coil on all of my 12volt bugs, on + offroad, both daily drivers (city peak hour twice a day) and weekend fun
machines, and have never had one play up! On the manx buggie I had some years back I used a 009 + blue coil + fitted a cover over the 009 cap, its
like a clear condom for your distributer and it keeps water and any other crap out of it. They are cheap I think I paid around $10-$15 for the cover
so I would think you would get one for less than $20 now. They are a very tight fit but its worth investing in one and take the time to install it
correctly, if you intend to do any offroad work.
Jason
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