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 BrisDubba
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| posted on February 8th, 2007 at 07:06 PM |
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Sway Bars- 64 Beetle
Heh yall,
Anyone recommend a type and specification of sway bar- I have a 64 Beetle with King/Link pin front end and swing axle rear- It has the camber
compensator on the rear already and the standard old sway bar on the front.
Any advice- experiences- I use the car for club events, street sprints etc.
Thanks
Peter
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| posted on February 8th, 2007 at 09:59 PM |
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talk to pedders or similar and see what sizes are available.
remove the camber compensator and fit a sway bar out back.
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| posted on February 8th, 2007 at 10:17 PM |
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yep go the sway bars front and rear......18mm front & 22mm rear, grab the adjustable ones and dial it in:thumb
http://www.whiteline.com.au/
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| posted on February 17th, 2007 at 10:36 PM |
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a sway bar on the rear of a swing axel car is a no no,it will promote axel tuck when you start to corner hard,the early beetles have a high roll
centre and you will reach a point wear the car is going around the corner quickly and it will go into snapover steer,if the camber compensater is a
swayaway keep it,lower the car in the rear about 1.5 inchs and limit the downward wheel travel,you can purchase a thing called a flop stop which
attaches to the spring plate where it hits on the rebound stop,this will limit the amount of positive camber and make the car safer to drive
quickly,replacethe front bar with 19 mm diameter one,check the alinement and fit castor shims if required,my beetle , a 60 model is set up basicly
this way running 7x17and8x18 and handles fantasticly,totaly nutural and can 4 wheel drift with no surprises,i have tried all of the combinations over
a long period of time .my rear sway bar was removed and given to my brother who owned a car with irs,the camber compensator helps stop axel tuck
good luck
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| posted on February 17th, 2007 at 10:47 PM |
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vwo60.....what sort of bars did you run out back and how did they attach to the suspension?
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| posted on February 17th, 2007 at 11:42 PM |
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k mac attach the same way as they all do,two clamps around the torsion bar housing and attached to the lower shock bolt dangerous,sway bars on the
back promote oversteer in swing axel cars a camber compensator effectivly helps control axel tuck at the expence of body roll i lived with that set up
for about a week, it did improve the handling to a point but after it got nasty with a quick transition to overstear ,fitted acamber compensator and
fixed the problem
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| posted on February 18th, 2007 at 12:01 AM |
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what were you running up front when you were experiencing the "snap" oversteer?
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| posted on February 18th, 2007 at 03:36 PM |
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a 19mm bar with bilstiens all round if you would like to confirm what i am saying please refer to a good tech book'how to modify volkswagen beetle
suspension & chassis for high performance'by James Hale.sway bars for irs,camber compensator for swing axel,sway bar on the rear of a swing axel
raises the roll centre the more load that is applied during fast cornering,the sway bar then trys to keep to body roll in check but as roll centre
changes so dose the centre of gravity raising the rear of the car and ends up with max positive camber as the sway bar tries to keep the axles level
with each other which it dose well, a camber compensator works the opposite,as the wheels try to go positive the spring is trying to keep the axles
parralell thus avoiding the axle tuck which is promoted by the sway bar,but you pick up some body roll,its all a compremise,list of cars i have owned
and modified, 1 L/P-S/A sway bar-camber compensator 2 L/P-IRS sway bars 3 BJ-SA sway bar-camber compensator 4 BJ-IRS sway bars
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| posted on February 18th, 2007 at 04:37 PM |
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yeah just wondering, not doubting your results, experiments or opinions.i'm running whiteline bars front and rear, they attach to the spring plates
tho....i'm not getting snap oversteer at all, it's very neutral.........i'm running one notch (inside) lower in the rear...maybe the forces stop
being transferred so much when the outside sits on the bump stop
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| posted on February 18th, 2007 at 06:38 PM |
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This is a pic of my camber compensator- not sure if you call it a swingaway.. the car is already pretty low and I have the caster shims in the front.
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| posted on February 18th, 2007 at 06:39 PM |
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| posted on February 18th, 2007 at 10:09 PM |
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the bar you have appears to be from sherman,it apears to be pulling down on the axle tubes and in your photo you can see the elongation of the whole
punched in the strap that goes over the axle tube,this is not correct,it should be appling force up onto the bottom side of the tubes ,the sway a way
camber compensator has no straps,it is held in position by the spring tension and it has a proper pivot in the centre with a through bolt and urathane
bushing and applies pressure to the bottom of the axle tube all of the time.go to 'sway-a-way suspension components,on google and look under vw
suspension while you are there check the listing for sway bars for vw and you will find that sway-a-way does not make a rear sway bar for the swing
axle just because there made dose not mean there are right ,purchase the book i mentioned previously from drysdale auto books in bowen hills ph
38525075 and learn how the whole thing works
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