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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 01:12 PM |
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Adjustable Spring Plates
I've recently aquired a 76' Bug which I'd like to lower as it's currently sitting at the standard height.
In the past I've reset the spring plates, but that's a right pain in the arse.
So I was thinking of adjustable spring plates and I was wondering how much adjustment they actually have?
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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 01:24 PM |
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It's exactly the same PITA to fit adjustables as reset the standard ones, and they only have a small amount of adjust to 'trim' the ride height
(and corner weights etc...)
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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 02:14 PM |
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Check this out.
http://www.airsouls.com/how-tos/adj_spr_plates.htm
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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 02:24 PM |
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worth fitting...................you can get about 4 inches of height adjustment.
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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 04:07 PM |
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the best thing about these plates is you have the same amount of adjustment as a standard plate would, by using the same turn one tooth on the spline
method you can lower or raise your ride, the best part is you do not have to pull the rear brakes etc of to do this ,all that needs to be done is jack
up the car take off the rear torsion bar cover thingo , remove the outer plate turn to desired height on the spline put the cover back on (4 bolts)
then adjust with the bolt to get right, to lower you vw using the bolt will take all of ten minutes , to lower your vw by removing the torsion cover
it might take 30mins to do both sides..
i recently made a set for my split, well worth the effort
[ Edited on 10-4-2007 by t2 ]
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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 04:12 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Craig Torrens
worth fitting...................you can get about 4 inches of height adjustment.
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have you got the home made ones or the swayaway jobbies?
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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 05:34 PM |
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with sway away plates (and the original adjusting bolt that comes with) you get around 2 inchs of adjustment
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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 09:21 PM |
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worth fitting...................you can get about 4 inches of height adjustment.
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have you got the home made ones or the swayaway jobbies?
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| posted on April 10th, 2007 at 11:19 PM |
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Good info.
Thanks guys.
Andrew
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 08:18 AM |
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Hi
Steel trailing arm 944 have spring plates have adjustment for height, but the adjusting bolts protrude out the back so the chassis needs a bit of
clearancing. Used in conjunction with steel 944 arms they will also give you easy camber & toe adjustment.
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 08:37 AM |
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I have a set on my Ghia but the adjusters are slightly different to the ones above. I got these in the UK - they started off life as standard
swing-axle spring plates that I modified to use 944 arms. Must admit I like the ones above better although that type of adjuster wouldn't fit on a
type 3. Although I've not tried it I'm pretty sure that you can use the 944 complete spring plate + rear arm set up if you have IRS - IMHO a much
better option.
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 09:22 AM |
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Hi
These are the steel 944 arms that I had on my 1302. If you look at the spring plate you can see the adjusting bolts and where they would foul on the
chassis. I've now gone to alloy arms like T-34, but I've used the later 944 spring plates, these require the same chassis mods as the earlier
arms.
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 09:33 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by T-34
I have a set on my Ghia but the adjusters are slightly different to the ones above. I got these in the UK - they started off life as standard
swing-axle spring plates that I modified to use 944 arms. Must admit I like the ones above better although that type of adjuster wouldn't fit on a
type 3. Although I've not tried it I'm pretty sure that you can use the 944 complete spring plate + rear arm set up if you have IRS - IMHO a much
better option.
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any chance of some more pics T-34 ?
would like to see how much the alloy arms + brakes have pushed the wheels out , what wheels you are running and how they all sit under a type3 ghia
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 09:46 AM |
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Hi Nick
Im fitting alloy 944s to my 1303, I took measurments of my old setup,
Rear track drum face to drum face
Type 3 drums 1405 mm
944 alloy arms 1490 mm
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 10:23 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1303Steve
Hi Nick
Im fitting alloy 944s to my 1303, I took measurments of my old setup,
Rear track drum face to drum face
Type 3 drums 1405 mm
944 alloy arms 1490 mm
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That'll work real good to pack out the track with some 50-ish offset rims!
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 10:40 AM |
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Hi Glen
When you see the arms fitted up to the car it looked like nothing will fit, but lots of Porsche wheels will fit fine with this extra track.
Sorry about high jacking your post Gracey
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 01:08 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1303Steve
Hi Nick
Im fitting alloy 944s to my 1303, I took measurments of my old setup,
Rear track drum face to drum face
Type 3 drums 1405 mm
944 alloy arms 1490 mm
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so base of 1405mm
and idea what stock arms with the 944 brakes brings it to steve ?
still interested in some info / pics from T-34 as the ghia has roughly the same inner / guard clearance as my type3 project
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 01:27 PM |
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It's all good Steve.
Just giving me options that I hadn't considered.
Thanks, Andrew
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 05:47 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Hi Glen
When you see the arms fitted up to the car it looked like nothing will fit, but lots of Porsche wheels will fit fine with this extra track.
Sorry about high jacking your post Gracey
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yep that's what I meant :thumb
yeah sorry Gracey!!
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 09:54 PM |
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Widening the rear track is also something that I'm interested in doing as I currently have a set of ATS wheels on my other 76' Bug, and even though
I'm running type 3 rear drums and 10mm spacers the wheels still need to come out about 15 to 20mm further.
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 10:18 PM |
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The track is widened, but this can be corrected - depending on what offset wheels you run (although you may need to add spacers to the front hubs).
I've not tried it but I have heard that later wheels like cup alloys and the like have the correct offset.
I narrowed the track on mine as I already had the wheels I wanted to use (which didn't have the correct offset  )
Although this is not 100% on topic (My car is type 3 based) I narrowed the rear suspension on mine by moving the a-arm pivots inwards by about 30mm
and then making some spacers to mount the spring-plates to the front of the a-arms. I also needed to clearance the rear frame and move the top shock
mounts and bump stops inwards by 30mm.
There's some more pics on my site and also a basic tech article on the 944 conversion for a type 3 - http://www.t-34.co.uk/index.php?page=tech&id=2
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 11:00 PM |
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hi T-34 ,
so your wheel mounting face of the disk side to side is around 1430mm now?
great site , very helpfull
steve any idea on the distnace face to face with standard trailing arms (or steel 944 arms) and 944 brakes ?
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| posted on April 11th, 2007 at 11:49 PM |
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steel porsche 944 arms are the same as bug irs arms the difference is in the drive flange,s .
wheel track is measured center of wheel to center of wheel not drum or disc face .So with the correct off-set on the wheel
you could have close to the orignal track.In Vic and other states adr laws changing a 50mm over all increase in the track is the max with IRS rear
ends.
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| posted on April 12th, 2007 at 12:49 AM |
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Hi
We all know that wheel track is measured between the centre of wheels.
The reason that I used the drum/disc to drum/disc measurement is that it takes the wheel offset out of the equation.
The measurement that I mentioned in an earlier post was on my other 1303 which had Type 3 drums on the rear, I believe that Type 3 rear drums give a
small track increase
Steel 944 arms with the 944 brakes fitted give 26mm per side increase, so 52mm increase over all.
Malcolm. What you say is true about ending up with standard track, Im fitting some steel 944 rears to my sons 1303, I know that a 7 inch Fuchs or
Cookie cutter has a 26ET and they fit fine, so using 55 ET wheels with the 26 mm extra track per side that the 944 stuff will give me will result in a
3mm track decrease, perfect.
This is what the NSW RTA say about increasing track with different suspension, "Where non original axle or suspension cross member components are
fitted, the offset of the wheel in relation to the axle or stub axle assembly used shall not be increased by more than 12.5mm each side of the vehicle
based on the specifications of the axle components used. If an axle assembly is shortened then the track width limit is taken as the axle
manufacturers original track dimension, less the amount the assembly has been narrowed, plus 25mm."
Steve
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| posted on April 12th, 2007 at 10:43 AM |
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sorry to bug u again steve lol ....
but is that an increase over standard beetle brakes or type3 ? just want to clarify 
if its with standard ill have to try get the factor difference between type3 rears and beetle , from memory it was like 10mm per side or something
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| posted on April 12th, 2007 at 10:48 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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In Vic and other states adr laws changing a 50mm over all increase in the track is the max with IRS rear ends.
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would be interesting to see the front allowances , perhaps a narrowed front end would be illegal depending on how much it has been narrowed
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| posted on April 12th, 2007 at 11:27 AM |
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avwboy,
if you're not in a hurry, I will be stripping down my rear suspension in the next month or so - I have an unmodified IRS frame that I could put the
porsche a-arms on to measure the track for you.
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| posted on April 13th, 2007 at 12:06 AM |
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Hi Nick
Nay bother, when you fit 4 stud Type 3 rears to a 4 stud bug, you get a track increase. With all the bits that you have laying around you should be
able to work this out.
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| posted on April 13th, 2007 at 06:46 PM |
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Hi Nick
Nay bother, when you fit 4 stud Type 3 rears to a 4 stud bug, you get a track increase. With all the bits that you have laying around you should be
able to work this out.
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Huh? Do you mean T3 trailing arms or T3 brakes, Steve?
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| posted on April 13th, 2007 at 08:21 PM |
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Hi Glen
Just fitting the Type 3 brakes will increase the rear track.
Steve
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