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 eraser
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| posted on September 15th, 2008 at 07:18 PM |
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WTB Type1 DTM shroud.
Howdy all just after a Type 1 DTM shroud, i highly doubt anyone has one for sale but if you do or know of anyone let me know thanks.
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 06:11 AM |
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I doubt anyone will have one but you can just buy one dirctly from the type 4 store, should be able to get it here for under $1K easy, i have bought
some in to the country before and i know they are top quality i have one for my type 4.
Damo.
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 08:07 AM |
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what about
http://www.sharpbuilt.com.au/new_page_2.htm
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 01:45 PM |
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Sharpbuilt can't help it's for a type 1.
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 03:28 PM |
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My T4 DTM Stage 1 was like $820AUD landed and I paid no duty, took 3 days to get here. The dollar was at like $0.95 though.
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 03:32 PM |
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sharpbuilt do the porsche style fan conversion
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 06:12 PM |
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i thought the porsche conversion had bad airflow in them and heat up the motor.
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 06:57 PM |
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be careful what you read
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 10:32 PM |
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nah its proven fact not just forum chatter
they work well on porsches but leave them off the dubs
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| posted on September 16th, 2008 at 11:39 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Have to agree with nick on this one.
Never had one bit of drama on my old one. couple of mate have them on theirs too and no dramas.
jace
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| posted on September 17th, 2008 at 08:28 PM |
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ur not gonna notice immediate dramas
its the lifespan of the engine thats effected
due to the design they over cool 1&3 and under cool 2&4
all the shrouds built for vw conversions dont have the elaborate vanes inside that porsche shrouds do
jake raby has done extensive testing on all the shrouds out there
porsche shroud was toward the bottom of the list
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| posted on September 17th, 2008 at 08:53 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
ur not gonna notice immediate dramas
its the lifespan of the engine thats effected
due to the design they over cool 1&3 and under cool 2&4
all the shrouds built for vw conversions dont have the elaborate vanes inside that porsche shrouds do
jake raby has done extensive testing on all the shrouds out there
porsche shroud was toward the bottom of the list
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Have you ever actually had one / used one / tested one ? Or are you just talking from what you have read of others who sell a different product ?
I have run then on my own engine in a buggy with twin Cylinder temp guages on 3 and 4 with an 11 Blade and there where no issues at all. Engine has
type 4 oil cooler fitted and was full flowed with only a filter no external cooler as such (apart from type 4)
If they didn't over cool in a buggy with an 11 blade and there was no real difference between 3 and 4 then I would suggest that everything you read
is not spot on. I know Jake has done a lot of testing and everyone finds their own things but unless you have run one yourself then I can't see how
you can comment apart from quoting those who have actually tested them.
I know Mike Sharp has been running a porsche style shroud on his buggy for many years and I reckon it has done a great deal more work than 95% of VW
out there, without issue.
Dave at Custom Vee Dub has just fitted a Bernie Bergman kit to hit big type one with dry sump kit, m400 motec and a few other nice parts, once again
no issues yet.
Anyway I could go on but I think you get the point. There are a lot of peopel out there quoting out their ass who have not actually ever used / had
one and thought you may like some feedback from an actual user.
That being said my EJ22 cools just fine and I would never go back to VW Aircooled power so maybe that nullifies my opinion.
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| posted on September 17th, 2008 at 09:14 PM |
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i think "all the shrouds" is a tad of an overgeneralisation. the porsche shroud i took off my type 4 had flow directional veins inside off the back
of the alternator. possibly a fat performance shroud - no idea how long they have been doing the fan conversions for? at a guess +30yrs - alot of
which has been development for offroad dessert racing motors.... irrespective - whilst shrouds specifically marketed and sold for vw conversions like
the bergmann etc may not have such veins i think the addition of such veins is most definately a possibility - one of which may potentially resolve
any cooling bias issues (should they actually exist).... nothing against jake raby or the dtm both of which i think are fantastic additions to the
global vw community but i think its fair that both sides of a story be supported and discussed. kudos for the "research and development" and
fantastic marketing scheme. however you don't see too many of the boys racing in europe with their big type 1 and 4 motors running dtms. nor do you
see them marketing porsche shrouds with research and development etc or alternatively complaining of engine failure or decreased engine longevity as a
result of over/under cooling - i think in such cases their actions speak louder.
i've always been very much into the whole science, research base and establishing proof/fact and in turn i'm personally torn over trying a dtm. in
the same stance though - there is nothing more horn than a carbon fibre porsche shroud from sharbuilt...........
nick
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| posted on September 17th, 2008 at 09:56 PM |
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Well said Nick, Jake is a master @ marketing although all praise must go to the late Joe Loccicero - Oregon Performance, who originally developed the
brilliant DTM by trying to improve on the 50 years of VW research and development. Kudos also go to Mike Sharp, I have personally used his product in
both T4 & T1 format, quality of workmanship is second to none and without cooling problems.
My 20 cents, if you are building a motor that requires air volumes and cooling of the DTM you better not be cutting any corners elsewhere in the
build, re: cheap crank and rods, P/C's, heads, etc, etc. Build it once , build it right.
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| posted on September 17th, 2008 at 10:42 PM |
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Quality and cost is what made me get my DTM, over $2500 for a Sharpbuilt 911 kit or $800 for a DTM, thats tested and improved and bolts straight on
and utilizes vw parts (alternator, fan). That leaves more money for better engine parts. The only 911 kit that has directional vanes in the shroud
is made by either Gerd Tafel or Reichart Tuning in Germany.
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| posted on September 17th, 2008 at 11:18 PM |
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looks like i opened a can of worms
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| posted on September 18th, 2008 at 09:09 AM |
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Hey eraser, not a can of worms mate we are just speaking from experience, all systems do work and have worked for years, some do a better job than
others - "DTM", some look shit hot - "Porsche", some are reliable and cheap - "VW OG".
In the end it depends on the application of your engine and the look you are going for.
Good luck with the build.
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| posted on September 18th, 2008 at 11:18 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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lol.. I think it was me with the tin opener, by mentioning another fan/cooling alternative 
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on September 18th, 2008 at 05:06 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Buggy Brad
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
ur not gonna notice immediate dramas
its the lifespan of the engine thats effected
due to the design they over cool 1&3 and under cool 2&4
all the shrouds built for vw conversions dont have the elaborate vanes inside that porsche shrouds do
jake raby has done extensive testing on all the shrouds out there
porsche shroud was toward the bottom of the list
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Have you ever actually had one / used one / tested one ? Or are you just talking from what you have read of others who sell a different product ?
I have run then on my own engine in a buggy with twin Cylinder temp guages on 3 and 4 with an 11 Blade and there where no issues at all. Engine has
type 4 oil cooler fitted and was full flowed with only a filter no external cooler as such (apart from type 4)
If they didn't over cool in a buggy with an 11 blade and there was no real difference between 3 and 4 then I would suggest that everything you read
is not spot on. I know Jake has done a lot of testing and everyone finds their own things but unless you have run one yourself then I can't see how
you can comment apart from quoting those who have actually tested them.
I know Mike Sharp has been running a porsche style shroud on his buggy for many years and I reckon it has done a great deal more work than 95% of VW
out there, without issue.
Dave at Custom Vee Dub has just fitted a Bernie Bergman kit to hit big type one with dry sump kit, m400 motec and a few other nice parts, once again
no issues yet.
Anyway I could go on but I think you get the point. There are a lot of peopel out there quoting out their ass who have not actually ever used / had
one and thought you may like some feedback from an actual user.
That being said my EJ22 cools just fine and I would never go back to VW Aircooled power so maybe that nullifies my opinion.
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my ex had a superbug with one on a 2L type4
#2 and 4 ex valves were always tightening up on a not to old engine
plus it was always running hot even with a remote cooler and 5 blade fan
i took the fan off to make sure it hadnt sucked in anything that was blocking the fins and i noticed then that it had no vanes inside at all
in the end we pulled the heads off which showed evidence of over heating
engine was only 12,000kms old with newly reco;d heads and had only had that cooling system on since it was built
i couldnt tell u what breed it was tho but i think it may have been an early sharpbuilt one
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| posted on September 18th, 2008 at 05:42 PM |
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Alls i know is the 2 V Force race cars have V Force porsche shrouds and they run cool on the track
One is a 2.7L type 4 and the other is a 2.4L Type 1
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on September 18th, 2008 at 07:35 PM |
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Whats wrong with the std vw shroud ?
It works fine for me
Why try to redesign the wheel ?
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| posted on September 18th, 2008 at 08:40 PM |
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because 
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on September 18th, 2008 at 10:36 PM |
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OG 911 fanhousings dont have any vanes, except a scroll type of fin arrangement that is screwed to the back of the alternator. I've used Mike Sharps
kit on a type IV with an eleven blade Porsche fan that ran hard for 10 years + with zero cooling issues.
Theres more to it than one is good and the other is not. So many other variables, engine specs, tune, components, oils, maintenance .......
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