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 posted on September 26th, 2008 at 04:08 PM |
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Caltex will be replacing unleaded with Bio E10 unleaded
You will only be able to buy Bio E10 or vortex95, vortex 98 fuel
no unleaded 
A list here to see if you can use it in your old beetle
http://www.fcai.com.au/publications/all/all/all/3/capability-of-vehicles-to-s...
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| posted on September 26th, 2008 at 04:13 PM |
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They already have the E10 up here in brisbane.
Caltex
Shell
Some of the other places have other forms of ethonol fuel.
But shell seemed to remove the ULP95 and replaced it with E10.
Maybe this is what caltex will do down there.
The recomendations sheets that shell have are to not put the E10 in any vehicle that is not fuel injected.
Not to use in plastic boat and under floor boat tanks, and not to be used in motor bikes with plastic tanks.
My guess is that this would effect lawn mowers, chain saws and whipper snippers aswell.
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| posted on September 26th, 2008 at 07:28 PM |
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Is it only being forced on Austrailian drivers for maximising profits And would you believe that I couldn't find ANY ethanol blend fuel in all my
travels in the UK and France recently. At least it wasn't advertised as such and none of my Pom mates had even heard of it. With no knowledge of
what mileage a Vauxhaul Vectra should return I couldnt make any comparison. The fact remains that you will use more of it for a given distance so the
saving per litre is disapears rather quickly. My earlier post some months back was taken on a number of trips to Tamworth using both E10 and Std
Unleaded and the difference was quite a bit.
DH
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| posted on September 27th, 2008 at 12:17 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by ang3lsholocaust
The recomendations sheets that shell have are to not put the E10 in any vehicle that is not fuel injected.
Not to use in plastic boat and under floor boat tanks, and not to be used in motor bikes with plastic tanks.
My guess is that this would effect lawn mowers, chain saws and whipper snippers aswell.
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Interesting
FCAI also reccomends E10 "NOT" be used in steel petrol tanks and rubber fuel lines because of oxidation
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| posted on September 27th, 2008 at 04:35 PM |
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Not sure about the steel tanks, but yeah. You are right on the rubber lines but.
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| posted on September 27th, 2008 at 08:25 PM |
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I run my lawnmower on nothing less than premium fuel. It will be a sad day in Victoria when we are forced to feed anything mechanical with this
shite. It all comes down to the dollar and means nothing to the govt. or petrol companies unless they get their share. In the end, the motorist is
bent over a barrel and cops it....
If you can't fix it with a hammer,
you have an electrical problem....
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| posted on September 28th, 2008 at 08:15 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by ang3lsholocaust
Not sure about the steel tanks, but yeah. You are right on the rubber lines but.
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This is my basis for the comment
http://www.fcai.com.au/publications/all/all/all/3/capability-of-vehicles-to-s...
REASONS WHY ETHANOL BLENDED PETROL IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR USE IN SOME OLDER VEHICLES
Introduction
The following information outlines the key reasons why vehicle manufacturers do not recommend the use of any ethanol/petrol blended fuels in vehicles
made before 1986. This information is also applicable to post-1986 vehicles listed as unsuitable to use ethanol blended petrol.
Ethanol has a number of important chemical and physical properties that need to be considered in a vehicle's design.
Carburettor Equipped Engines
Vehicles made before 1986 vehicles were predominantly equipped with carburettors and steel fuel tanks.
The use of ethanol blended petrol in engines impacts the air/fuel ratio because of the additional oxygen molecules within the ethanol's chemical
structure.
Vehicles with carburettor fuel systems..........problems will be increased.
As a solvent, ethanol attacks both the metallic and rubber based fuels lines, and other fuel system components.
Ethanol also has an affinity to water that can result in corrosion of fuel tanks and fuel lines. Rust resulting from this corrosion can ultimately
block the fuel supply rendering the engine inoperable. Water in the fuel system can also result in the engine hesitating and running roughly.
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| posted on September 28th, 2008 at 09:08 PM |
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I used BoGas ethanol fuel for many years in My carburetored Magna with out any problems at all...
Bogas was about 6-7% ethanol...
Bogas has disappeared locally...
some changing to Caltex and others to Neuman..
Shell 95 octane disappeared from the local shell station a long time ago..
said they weren't selling enough of it...
Lee
Personally, I wouldn't use ethanol in My beetle...
as it burns hotter than Non ethanol petrol...
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| posted on September 28th, 2008 at 09:09 PM |
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the E10 unleaded with ethanol has been around here for about approx 8 months...
I accidently filled My Lancer with it as I didn't notice the E10 sign...
Lee
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| posted on September 28th, 2008 at 09:12 PM |
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haha, i just personally would not put anything in my car that came from a company called BOGAS.  .. premium only in the bus.. funny thing i was in bondi the other day in the golf and stopped in to chuck in some diesel..
and it was labeled premium diesel !?.. haha..
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| posted on September 29th, 2008 at 11:06 PM |
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This morning a diesel truck from local landscape supplier was filled with vortex. Its not working anymore. Not sure about the driver.
About 10 years ago the local caltex got busted slipping ethanol in fuel. There was an uproar about him ripping people off, dodging fuel tax, and he
went out of business. Every other servo in town put up signs saying "No ethanol added to our fuels". It was a bad thing. Then govt brought in a rule
saying you could add up to 10%. Only the dodgy private owned ones had it. All the others put stickers on their bowsers saying "0% ethanol" because
it was bad thing. Now, its such a good thing its being advertised as the fuel to use? Put ethanol in your car because its eco friendly, higher
octane, blah blah blah?
I think maybe its better because there is higher profit margin for oil companies.
Back in the days when I actually HAD a vw and ran it down Oran Park drags at the Nationals, I ran the trials with regular unleaded. I then added 15%
ethanol and wound the boost up. Had no chance of breaking out, I never ran close to my dial in for the rest of the day.
 
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| posted on September 29th, 2008 at 11:10 PM |
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actually after thinking about it, that was toluene. 
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| posted on October 2nd, 2008 at 12:46 PM |
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Maybe a bit of worthwhile reading from The Septic Tanks on E10 and their findings. Seems like they report around 10% more useage as well in modern
production EFI engines.
DH
http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211393
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| posted on October 7th, 2008 at 12:30 PM |
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its about time...bring on bio fuels perth!!!
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