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 Notch Nut
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| posted on November 19th, 2008 at 07:44 PM |
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Changing Window Rubbers
Hi.
In all of my wisdom (slowly diminishing with age), I decided to remove my rear window from the notch and change the window rubber. Simple.
Easy removing the rear window, cleaned up the window area and inspected for rust. (nothing major just some pin head sized bubbles here and there).
Now to the fun part Putting the new rubber on the window.
Lets just say it didn't go according to plan. Tonight was the second attempt and it just wouldn't work. Is there any
special way of putting these things on the windows or am I just stoopid!!
This thing is really driving me absoloutley MAD!!! I don't think our wheelie bin can survive another incident with my claw hammer when I get
frustrated like this. Any help is greatly appreciated. 
- Adam
The bin after the frustration episode This things gonna be a hyundai bumper bar soon!
If you can't fix it with a hammer,
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| posted on November 19th, 2008 at 07:48 PM |
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hi
you need plastic coated wire or string inserted in the groove in the rubber write around and overlap at top or bottom then place the window with the
rubber and string or wire in place get inside the car and pull like hell on the wire or sting as its very hard some times while someone else is
pushing carefully on the outside of glass.
as the wire or string comes out the grove the rubber pops into place around the window frame.
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| posted on November 19th, 2008 at 08:18 PM |
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Rose, I haven't got that far yet!!!
I can't get the new rubber to stay on the glass. All goes well until I try to get to the last few corners and the bloody thing just falls apart. I
have tried soaking the rubber in hot water for a few minutes to make it larger and more supple but it still doesn't work.
- Adam
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| posted on November 19th, 2008 at 08:30 PM |
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what about trying the hair dryer
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| posted on November 19th, 2008 at 08:39 PM |
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once you get the rubber on all the way, it will stay there. Mate, you're going to need a helping hand to push on the window to install it anyway. Get
help to hold the rubber as you put it on around the glass. ... and maybe some help with the anger management  Look on the brightside, notches dont have 23 windows.
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| posted on November 19th, 2008 at 08:52 PM |
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Hehehe.. Anger management all under control. I haven't even scratched the glass yet!
Def going to call in the cavilry to get the thing on. Can't do it on my own. (third attempt is well out of the question - so the wife says....)
What really is annoying is that I installed my pop outs and changed the rubbers etc when I had a broken wrist in plaster (had nothing else to do with
2 months off work from a motorbike accident.) Never had a problem. Something as common and mundane as changing a big window rubber is doing my head
in!! Got me absoloutly stummped!!
- Adam
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| posted on November 19th, 2008 at 09:28 PM |
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degree of difficulty goes up with a curved window though.
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| posted on November 19th, 2008 at 11:14 PM |
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Is it the correct size rubber?
Brand?
Should be quite possible to get it on the glass. I do the four corners then the sides then top and bottom. Talc is real good for dry lube, but get it
right into all the grooves.
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| posted on November 20th, 2008 at 07:22 PM |
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If the rubber keeps slipping off the glass I have used some race tape in the past to hold what I have on in place, once the rubber is on all the way
around you can remove the tape.
Use an aerosil glass cleaner to lube the groove that the chrome trim fits in, then lube the groove you will put the whipper snipper chord in. Sit the
windo in place and start pullin the whipper snipper chhord from the top with some ome else putting some pressure on the glass form the outside. Work
around to about 2 oclock, then get the other end of the chord and work around to about 10 oclock, keep pulling the chord back to the middle of the
glass as though it were the centre of the clock, work in 2 hourly intervals around the clockface and your done.
Otherwise fly me to your place feed me and fly me home again. It will go in like clockwork!
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| posted on November 20th, 2008 at 09:01 PM |
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I'm not far from you Adam. I can come over Tomorrow or Saturday between 11 and 12?
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 09:51 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by matberry
Is it the correct size rubber?
Brand?
Should be quite possible to get it on the glass. I do the four corners then the sides then top and bottom. Talc is real good for dry lube, but get it
right into all the grooves.
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German rubbers. I got them shipped from (Vintage or)Classic Vee dub about 6 to 8months ago.
All is good in fitting them but I think that the rubber needs to stretch a bit in order to fit it. The first 2 bends are ok but there is not enough
slack in the rubber by the time I get to the final 2 bends. Usually the rubber popps out of the bends when it gets stretched to make it onto the
other bends. Frustrating stuff!!
Does anyone know if the front window rubber for an early notch is the same circumference as the rear one??
I have a front rubber I can compare with and see if it is the same size which might offer some reasoning..
- Adam
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 09:53 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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I'm not far from you Adam. I can come over Tomorrow or Saturday between 11 and 12?
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Awww Dang. I just logged on at 10:55!!
Might take a raincheck (been hailing round these parts too!!).
Might organise something for a weekend coming up. I'll send you a PM. Thanks for the offer.
- Adam
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Notch Nut
| Quote: | Originally
posted by helbus
I'm not far from you Adam. I can come over Tomorrow or Saturday between 11 and 12?
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Awww Dang. I just logged on at 10:55!!
Might take a raincheck (been hailing round these parts too!!).
Might organise something for a weekend coming up. I'll send you a PM. Thanks for the offer.
- Adam
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Send it up here to me Adam and I'll see if it fits my Notch.
If it does you can get another one!!
Really they aren't that hard to fit. Do as David says and use a couple of bits of tape untill it's seated on the glass all the way.
DH
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 02:44 PM |
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ITS DONE!!!! WOOOOOHOOOO!!!!
I had a bit of help (alot really) from my good lady wife who while watching me in the spare room with her hair dryer kindly offered her assistance. 2
hands really do make a difference (mine don't count cos of the plonka their attached to).
Pic taken about 10 minutes ago....
The corners have some lip bits curled up but I think they should settle once the rubber shrinks into place.
Oh and by the way. Ya can't have my wife either to help on your dubs. I'm teaching her spray painting next week
- Adam
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 02:48 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1500S
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Notch Nut
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posted by helbus
I'm not far from you Adam. I can come over Tomorrow or Saturday between 11 and 12?
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Awww Dang. I just logged on at 10:55!!
Might take a raincheck (been hailing round these parts too!!).
Might organise something for a weekend coming up. I'll send you a PM. Thanks for the offer.
- Adam
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Send it up here to me Adam and I'll see if it fits my Notch.
If it does you can get another one!!
Really they aren't that hard to fit. Do as David says and use a couple of bits of tape untill it's seated on the glass all the way.
DH
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The rubber is Really TIGHT!!! Had to use the hair dryer to expand the rubber just to fit. It was a real effort especially cos the corners were the
last bits to fit and the rubber was not conforming to the corners and seating properly.
I have only previously fitted the pop outs and they were a sinch by comparison. Even the front windscreen was tame by comparison. This is def a job
I aint to keen on doing again.!! Happy to out source any difficult jobs like this.....you local eh???
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 04:48 PM |
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When my son was getting rid of the old 71 Notch, I retrieved the popouts from it and fitted the standard windows again (EMPI got them from me a
couple of years back). The new rubbers were shocking and sucked in quite a bit at the bottom rear corner. Seems that the new rubbers are just a
length of the rubber section which hasn't got the corners pre moulded. Maybe the front and rear screens are the same these days.
Are you puting the aluminium trim strip in??
That'll keep you occupied a bit longer!
DH
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 04:53 PM |
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Done the chrome strip too.
Just a mock up so far. I am fitting the window next week.
Does anyone use some sealing compound for the rubbers between the rubber and window frame?? They did at the factory. Just wondering what compound is
reccomended.
- Adam
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 04:54 PM |
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Too much time on your hands!
DH
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Too much time on your hands!
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It's my weekend...day. Besides, the missus is watching telly. lol..
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| posted on November 22nd, 2008 at 07:36 PM |
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No sealer. I dont think the factory used it at all. None of the windows I have pulled out of several cars have had any sealer.
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There's definately some sort of glue substance used. Maybe sealer isn't the correct term for the product. but. There was heaps of residue and
stuff on the frame and old rubber.
This is a pic of the window with the factroy fitted windscreen rubber. The residue I am reffering to is the grey coloured substance. Very sticky
and slightly malliable. The side windows had this same product on them as well. Just wondering what it is and if it is necessary.
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K&H D-Mastic is good to use. A bead about the thickness of a pen is more than enough. The place to apply it is exactly where it shows on your pic.
The rope I have always used for putting in windows is lawn mower starter cord.
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I have an uncle who was (retired) a panel beater of the old school, he reckoned that if you needed sealer then there was something wrong with the
frame or the instalation, my son had an early Suaru, when we removed the windscreen there was no sealer there so maybe unk was onto sunthn.
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| posted on November 23rd, 2008 at 09:41 PM |
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Depends on many factors. The style of rubber, shape of glass, consistency of rubber, style of moulding, angle of window opening, size of retaining
lip, thichness or retaining rubber lip, width of rubber, width of groove for body lip. We could analyse it and debate it forever. Simple fact is
mastic has for a long time been used for window rubber installation from factory and after for many years. Some manufacturers did not use sealer, but
there was usually a design in the rubber to enable a cheaper factory installation.
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| posted on December 2nd, 2008 at 08:33 PM |
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So with all this talk on putting the glass in... whats the best way to get it out? And leave the rubbers intact. (They are fairly new)
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So with all this talk on putting the glass in... whats the best way to get it out? And leave the rubbers intact. (They are fairly new)
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From inside the car, use a wide and blunt screwdriver or similar instrument and slowly pry the edges of the rubber and push it towards the middle of
the glass to get the rubber off the lip. Start from the top part of the windows and work towards the edges leaving the bottom till last. The glass
and rubber should be easily removed in one piece.
Be careful not to damage the rubber or hoodlining with the screwdriver though.
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Throw a couple of blankets in to lay on, then put on some soft soled shoes and push the windows out with your feet, have someone on the outside to
catch it, work from the top middle and then evenly outwards, you can feel how much tension you need and how much give the glass has, only works for
toughened glass not laminated.
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Cheers Guys.. fingers crossed.
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| posted on December 7th, 2008 at 07:15 PM |
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Some pics of removing a rubber here
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=17341&page=1
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