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 thestu
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What engine for my bug??
in a few months i want to get my bug going fast...or just quicker than standard. this car will not be a daily...just a weekender...so i was looking at
the options...tell me your opinion and give reasons for which one...
I have the time, the know how and the money for all of these.
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| posted on January 28th, 2009 at 10:51 PM |
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p.s. personally i want an ej in the thing.. but i wanted to see other thoughts and opinions!
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| posted on January 28th, 2009 at 10:54 PM |
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Don't think your allowed ej25t in a beetle. My vote is ej20t 
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| posted on January 28th, 2009 at 11:04 PM |
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hahah what do you mean i'm not allowed...thats silllly!
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| posted on January 28th, 2009 at 11:22 PM |
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Don't think you can get it engineered, too big.
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| posted on January 28th, 2009 at 11:22 PM |
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rules and regs wont let you not enough weight in the beetle
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| posted on January 28th, 2009 at 11:38 PM |
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hmmm damn ittt! so an ej20t would be ok??
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| posted on January 28th, 2009 at 11:44 PM |
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hmm well i have been doing qute a bit of research tonight and maybe a turbo 1835 would be a goer?? a lot less work and would still run the pants of
most stuff 
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| posted on January 28th, 2009 at 11:59 PM |
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Alot of people frown apon the use of 92mm cylinders as they are thin walled. Better off going 1776 or 1915.
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| posted on January 29th, 2009 at 07:00 AM |
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what does Jak have in his? ej20 or ej25 with turbo?
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| posted on January 29th, 2009 at 10:33 AM |
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Ej20t. Good for at least 200hp atw
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| posted on January 29th, 2009 at 10:35 AM |
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put a big type 4 in it, turbo on top maybe
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| posted on January 29th, 2009 at 11:07 AM |
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forget the 1835 useless as tits on a bull
just go 1916 for same $$ but better quality parts and a longer living engine
i personally wont go over 90.5 bore with a force fed engine due to the case spigots cutting into the case savers with 94s but thats just me others
have done it fine with no probs but on a high boost engines may have dramas down the track
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| posted on January 29th, 2009 at 11:15 AM |
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hmmm ok then i found a big arse motor and i don';t see how i could go wrong with price and i have all the parts and a new case to rebuild it...
its a 2332 with a 84mm crank 044 heads and twin 44IDAs
what you guys think? i know it has a big bore so less barrel wall but...it would be an insane amount of fun for $2500 :O (i know the guy thats why)
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| posted on January 29th, 2009 at 09:48 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
forget the 1835 useless as tits on a bull
just go 1916 for same $$ but better quality parts and a longer living engine
i personally wont go over 90.5 bore with a force fed engine due to the case spigots cutting into the case savers with 94s but thats just me others
have done it fine with no probs but on a high boost engines may have dramas down the track
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whats does a 1916 long block go fo these days??
and would i need to decompress it to turbo it??
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| posted on January 30th, 2009 at 03:41 PM |
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put a big type 4 in it, turbo on top maybe
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second this
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| posted on January 30th, 2009 at 05:01 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
forget the 1835 useless as tits on a bull
just go 1916 for same $$ but better quality parts and a longer living engine
i personally wont go over 90.5 bore with a force fed engine due to the case spigots cutting into the case savers with 94s but thats just me others
have done it fine with no probs but on a high boost engines may have dramas down the track
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whats does a 1916 long block go fo these days??
and would i need to decompress it to turbo it??
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$$ depends on specs but a base product 1916 longblock wouldnt leave u much change outta 4-5k also dependant on who knocks it toghether
depending on the boost u wanna run u ideally wanna be under 8.0
its a bit of a trade off the lower the CR the more boost u can run but will be a slug when off boost
setup like this is great fun cos they really hammer when they start boosting
more CR will be more drivable off boost but u wont be able to run as much boost
not as much fun tho
ive been happy with 7.8 and 10psi could take more easily with intercooling or water injection
type4 engines are a brilliant bulletproof engine but they come with downsides
the hotgear isnt as common and is way more $$ than type1
unless u plan on racking up high KMs then a type4 wont really pay off as u can build a type1 with more power for less with more goodies
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 08:47 PM |
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a type 4 motor just needs to be changed to upright and it will go straight in is that right?
what the comp ratio on a stock 2lt? or a 1.8?
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 08:51 PM |
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just changed to upright unless you want to do some serious body cutting.
but other than that its pretty much straight in depending on the year your trying to fit it to.
here is mine
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 08:57 PM |
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will a porsche fan onto a type 4 motor?
i have one i can get my hands on 
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 09:00 PM |
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yeah you can but without serious work on the shroud they dont work that well cooling the engine.
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 09:05 PM |
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your setup is nice.. go quick?
running an external oil cooler?
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 09:11 PM |
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no external cooler needed.
it will cruise all day at 110km/h not worrying about hills. i built it this way to be just a good, strong and reliable motor with good fuel economy.
here is one of boys here in sydney in a 2.7L
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGlJXHu6YNg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDfPCT2-ZOQ
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 09:22 PM |
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thats niceeeeee so you think 5 k would be enough for a setup like
this?
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 09:26 PM |
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that depends on a few things. are you doing all your own work?
i did mine and the rebuild alone on my stock motor is around 4K normally.
a set of webers on mine and it would go like the clappers. if your serious about this try ringing richard at vforce. its his boys in that link i
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 09:34 PM |
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cheers mate
i'm really tosing up between something like this and the 2332... been looking at vids of both turbo and non turbo differnt setups and all...i;m still
on my p's until i'm 22 so technically i can't have a turbo... but if i do it well it would be hidden (well fairly) but the 2332 would be a straight
arvo swap and only 2.5k and its done...
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 09:44 PM |
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well technically if your on your p's you can't drive more than an 1800. as anything bigger requires an engineers certificate which is not allowed on
your p's.
if you want my opinion save your money till off your p's then go for it.
t4 is the way. i get better fuel economy with this than the stock 1600 i had.
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| posted on February 2nd, 2009 at 09:54 PM |
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if i put it down to technicalities i can't modify my car that has anything to do with the motor for my p's...no one can possible tell unless they
rip the motor apart and measure everything...and that will not happen. so i can just say its an 1800 with twin webbers and a zorst..
basically i want something quickish to go to calder in for now then turbo it when i'm off my p's that way i can spend a while building the motor up
to get it right then just stuff it in the car one weekend and just sell the 2332...that way i don't loose out and have fun in the mean time! catch my drift?
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| posted on February 3rd, 2009 at 05:26 AM |
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 i voted Subaru!............
but think you should do everything else on the car to make it steer and stop first..........by then you will probably be old enough to have the engine
of your choice
get a tough 1776, they're fun
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| posted on February 3rd, 2009 at 07:37 AM |
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i ran both an 1800 and a 2000 type 4 in my ragtop, the 1800 was heaps faster, extremely reliable and powerful, bit of a pain to put in and out but
hey, no turning back for me, future plans for mine is somewhere around 2.4, ive already got a pair of 44 delortos ready but yeah cost of type 4 is
expensive!
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