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| posted on September 21st, 2010 at 09:39 PM |
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Awesomeness...... Fords aren't THAT bad are they?
Check out this crazy Gymkhana!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_popout&v=4TshFWSsrn8
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It's pretty entertaining stuff, although he has now attracted his fair share of knockers, most of whom have probably never pulled a handbrake turn.
You wonder how much Ford paid him to give up his Subaru.
I just don't get why you'd just keep spinning it around until the tyres were gone and you were destroying your rims. Also, early in the vid did he
touch the wall with the rear of the car??
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| posted on September 21st, 2010 at 10:17 PM |
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Could do that in my sleep..............................whilst dreaming!!
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| posted on September 21st, 2010 at 11:20 PM |
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Ive neva owned an awd to play with that kinda stuff... not yet anyways lol.
When u rip up the handbrake though in an awd, have u gotta pump the clutch in first? or does the rear diff let all just compensate for the sudden stop
while letting the rest of the awd system do its stuff? I could imagine it would be a serious shock to the system if it didn't lol.
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| posted on September 21st, 2010 at 11:27 PM |
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awd have a centre diff, so you can do handbrake turns....while still driving 
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 01:18 AM |
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I really strongly dislike Ken Block and his publicist/management staff. He's just way too over-hyped, constantly trying to enlarge his ego and show
off by doing slick highly-edited videos of extremely risky driving, editing out the dozens of crashes and mistakes involved. Now that he's dared to
enter the actual WRC, it's obvious that, no he isn't the world's best rally driver, not by a long shot. Of course he can probably drive much better
than me, and the videos are very impressive, but I'm just disappointed that he's been made into a rockstar somehow when there are better drivers in
rallying, drifting and all sorts of racing formats who don't get anywhere near as much credit or money.
Also, Ford's decision to use the Fiesta as their WRC car is bizarre.
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 07:04 AM |
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posted by waveman1500
I really strongly dislike Ken Block and his publicist/management staff. He's just way too over-hyped, constantly trying to enlarge his ego and show
off by doing slick highly-edited videos of extremely risky driving, editing out the dozens of crashes and mistakes involved. Now that he's dared to
enter the actual WRC, it's obvious that, no he isn't the world's best rally driver, not by a long shot. Of course he can probably drive much better
than me, and the videos are very impressive, but I'm just disappointed that he's been made into a rockstar somehow when there are better drivers in
rallying, drifting and all sorts of racing formats who don't get anywhere near as much credit or money.
Also, Ford's decision to use the Fiesta as their WRC car is bizarre.
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its entertainment nothing more nothing less, people love to see it so they pay and in turn the drivers/riders get payed big money. There is always
going to be better drivers/riders who dont get the credit or big break that propells them onto the world scene and fame and fortune
In this day and age its all about the promoters/managers u hate them all? its there job to sell there products no different to sales reps u hate them
to?
love him or hate him he does his job well and is rewarded for such, talented he is, the greatest? no such thing but none the less he has something...
People love to knock others just go down the pub while any sports on the tv and listen to everyone saying how they could drive/box/play footy/ be a
better manager etc etc than what ever it is they are watching. 99% of them wouldn't have a clue what they are talking about... its just human
nature
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 07:11 AM |
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Also, Ford's decision to use the Fiesta as their WRC car is bizarre.
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size is the answer
look at how citroen and the peugeot have been at the top of the WRC tree in o ver the years. The slightly smaller cars are proving to be better than
the bigger ones. Also the Fiesta is at the front of fords program while the Focus is getting long in the tooth. nothing bizarre about it really..
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 08:03 AM |
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OMG ken has gone to Ford thats it no ej swap for me
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 AM |
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Well said Steff. Ken Block is just having piles of fun and getting paid, no different to the pilots of the Red Bull Air Race (may it live to thrill
another day), the Metal Mulisha maniacs or any of the other "extreme" sports stars, even Jackass is just people doing dumb things for our
entertainment/distraction (and stacks of cash). Does it make them bad people?
Haters gonna hate...
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 AM |
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waveman - I work in advertising, this is viral advertising. look at how many hits it is getting. you could take out the biggest billboard in any major
city and not get a result like his movies do. I would be pretty sure that Ken would have lots of fun doing these and be a part of the process but
would not be the major driver behind these. Ford, monster energy drinks etc etc would be paying for this stuff. These are so produced do you think
anyone thinks these clips are a one take run. These would be flimed just like top gear is. I have done a lot of car stuff and you wouldn't believe
what you have to go through to get results like top gear and these clips. Weeks of work not to mention massive dollars.
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 11:56 AM |
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I definitely agree with you there T54. I don't really believe that this sort of advertising is effective though. It may get fantastic viewer numbers,
but I don't really see that translating into sales. You even forgot to mention DC shoes as the major sponsor of the whole thing, which shows how the
sponsor messages don't get through to the viewer. Playing through the computer game Dirt 2 and having to listen to Ken Block talking in over-excited
exclamations all the way through it has sent me slightly insane, but it didn't make me want to drink Monster or buy DC shoes.
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 03:44 PM |
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It's not meant to make you go and buy, more like brand awareness and ingrain so next time you go to the fridge and look at redbull (market leader)
you just may try Monster. This is all they need - the first hook. too try something different. I buy DC shoes but not because of Ken Block, because I
have been wearing them since skating days and some other pro skaters back then. Everywhere does it, surfing, skating, Bmx, car racing, it is all there
to imitate your heros and buy product to be like them. It is not a new idea. I would take the Ken clips as a bit of fun, nothing more or less.
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| posted on September 22nd, 2010 at 04:28 PM |
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Ive neva owned an awd to play with that kinda stuff... not yet anyways lol.
When u rip up the handbrake though in an awd, have u gotta pump the clutch in first? or does the rear diff let all just compensate for the sudden stop
while letting the rest of the awd system do its stuff? I could imagine it would be a serious shock to the system if it didn't lol.
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i HAVEN'T HAD AN awd EITHER Chris...
but they are all different...
some are auto some are push button etc...
then there are all the extras these days... like
traction control .. ABS etc etc...
wet roads- dry roads- slippery etc..
and YIKES... Limited Slip Diffs....
locking and unlocking etc...???
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 03:50 PM |
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Waveman, I'm not impressed by Ken's WRC efforts thus far, but I beg to differ on the clip. It's amazing.
Do you race?
Do you know how hard it is to get your car round a hairpin/witch's hat that tight even ONCE at full tilt?
I do khanas and it's VERY hard.
Watch one round of rally testing in the alps and see how the top WRC drivers go. They slightly misjudge every second hairpin. Add another 300hp to
that and the stakes go up irrationally. Then there is the hairpins on the bank... 
I could live with out some of the burnouts and the tyre smoking drifts on every corner, but even they take a LOT of skill to get right even once. And
then there are the little faults they left in, like him clipping the bank in the first minute or so. He is RIGHT on the edge. How many engines, turbos
and gearboxes do you think went BANG during filming? Are there any other drivers taking the risks he is for his sponsors, business and sport? I don't
think so.
Even if you don't like Ken as a driver, as a businessman and entreprenuer he is second to none. Sit back and learn some lessons my friend. 
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 04:05 PM |
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Ha ha I agree with you all the way Pete except one thing, no-one will learn any of those lessons by sitting back, you have to get out there and do it
do it do it, firstly get good enough to make the sponsors sit up and take notice, then get that good in the machinery the sponsors supply. (yeah, I
know you didn't mean it litteraly  )
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 05:33 PM |
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Pete, I have done a bit of khanacross and motorkhana, and I did state in my first post on this subject that he is clearly a better driver than me! The
driving or quality thereof really isn't what I take issue with, it's the American style self-promotion and ego-stroking. Just not really my thing,
I'd rather go out and achieve quietly (winning some actual rallies) than go for self-promotion first and become a superstar before I've really done
anything. No offence to Ken, he does his job well and is an excellent driver, but I personally would respond to the ad 100% more positively if the
featured driver was someone who has earnt it, perhaps an old legend like Stig Blomqvist, Jackie Stewart or Mika Hakkinen out there stutting their
stuff.
If it makes any difference to you I respond negatively to a lot of mass marketing. I especially hate the way that the Von Dutch name has been turned
into a cheap, shallow fashion label by his daughters. Von Dutch himself was a true artist, who intentionally lived on the poverty line and focused on
his art rather than commercialising his success. He did make a few T-shirts but they were all individually hand-painted and sold largely to pay for
his drinking habit, not mass-produced to drag in the millions. Based on everything I've read, he was much more interested in knife-smithing,
gunsmitihing and painting motorcycles and hot-rods than fashion.
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 06:18 PM |
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Even if you don't like Ken as a driver, as a businessman and entreprenuer he is second to none. Sit back and learn some lessons my friend.
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Dead right, he had money well before he got into any of the showboating stuff he does now was even conceived of. As stated, its a massive brand
awareness drive and Viral advertising at its best. Much like Nike, Guinness and many others have done.
It not only brings brand awareness to the brands directly involved, but creates interest in the entire motorsport genre. From WRC to F1, to gymkhana
and hillclimb.
Ken is also attempting to bring a gymkhana type sport to the masses of motorsport fans with his new venture, similar to some of WRC special stages
where two cars run side by side.
And as many have said, while his WRC venture has not proved massively successful, have a look at some of the other big names that have entered the
sport, one big ex-F1 driver comes to mind who hasn't performed at all close to what people expected...
As much as people rip on him for not doing it in one take, but how many laps did Richards do around Bathurst before that monster qualifying lap in the
k-mart commonwhore years ago, how many times do the Moto-X nutters practice a jump before trying it in competition, they use foam pits before they
even attempt it on a proper jump... It all takes practice, I say keep at it, given his money helps, and his obvious natural talent, i cant wait to see
what he has planned next...
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| posted on September 23rd, 2010 at 09:57 PM |
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Pete, I have done a bit of khanacross and motorkhana, and I did state in my first post on this subject that he is clearly a better driver than me!
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waveman---- no he isn't the world's best rally driver, not by a long shot. Of course he can probably drive much better than me,
um thats not "clearly" stating is it? maybe its just me ....
i'll crawl back under my rock now
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Have to admit I'd never heard of Ken Block until I read this post. Looks like he's quite a successful driver in the US Rally America competition
(two seconds, a third and two fourths overall in six years, 10 rally wins), but has yet to taste any success in the World Rally Championship - an 18th
and a 24th this year and two retirements, and no points yet in three years. From that video he looks like a very skilled driver, but then I guess ALL
the WRC drivers would be. I wonder how he'd go with a 'reasonably priced car' on the Top Gear track? Would be beat the Stig's time? He's also 42
years of age; might be a getting on a bit for the WRC now. Six-time world champion Sebastien Loeb is only 36 and I'd love to see him do something
like this.
I guess the WRC needs something to boost its profile, as it's stagnated a lot since the glory days of the Group B supercars of the '80s. Nearly all
the big makers have pulled out, and in 2010 only Ford and Citroen compete. Something like these who hoo stunts might capture people's interest.
BTW, the film exaggerates the power output of the Fiesta. Current World Rally Car specifications demand a 34mm air restrictor to limit output to 300
hp - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus_WRC
It's the old Group B supercars like the Audi quattro S1 that made over 650 hp - they were MUCH quicker than today's little rally cars. The most
awesome production car-based rally car ever, with a glorious 5-cyl engine note that makes your hair stand on end.
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it's the American style self-promotion and ego-stroking. Just not really my thing,
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Well then you need to realise that what he is doing is not wrong. Just different to the british/aust model you are used to. The tall poppy syndrome is
ugly. And comparing him to VonDutch is like comparing apples and oranges. Ken is a businessman and competitor who like the public eye. VonDutch was a
artist recluse. Peter Brock was a lot like Ken in many ways and we all loved him. Don't hate someone just coz they are from the US. Most of our VW
culture comes from the US. VW racing would not exist with out the Cal Look history.
Phil; I'm pretty certain Ken's car is missing it's FIA restrictor for these vids. You'd need 600+hp to do that sort of tyre smoking drifts in an
AWD.
Also, I think you'll find modern WRC cars are not that much slower (if at all) than the groupeB monsters of the early 80s. The audis might have
sounded good, but they were pretty rudimentary compared to the stuff we have racing in the WRC today.... and they corner too. Audis were famous for
AWFUL understeer on tarmac.
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Today's rally cars are actually faster with 300hp than the Group B cars, because of the improvements in tyres, suspension, brakes, etc.
Pete, did I compare Block to Von Dutch? I was just saying that they're both mass-market brands which I respond negatively to, that's all. I have the
greatest respect for Von Dutch the man, but very little for Von Dutch Originals the brand. If I'm not allowed to dislike or reject any of the
thousands of brands and marketing images which I'm constantly bombarded with, then we may as well break out the Victory Gin and do some morning
exercises in front of the Telescreen.
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Have to admit I'd never heard of Ken Block until I read this post. Looks like he's quite a successful driver in the US Rally America competition
(two seconds, a third and two fourths overall in six years, 10 rally wins), but has yet to taste any success in the World Rally Championship - an 18th
and a 24th this year and two retirements, and no points yet in three years. From that video he looks like a very skilled driver, but then I guess ALL
the WRC drivers would be. I wonder how he'd go with a 'reasonably priced car' on the Top Gear track? Would be beat the Stig's time? He's also 42
years of age; might be a getting on a bit for the WRC now. Six-time world champion Sebastien Loeb is only 36 and I'd love to see him do something
like this.
I guess the WRC needs something to boost its profile, as it's stagnated a lot since the glory days of the Group B supercars of the '80s. Nearly all
the big makers have pulled out, and in 2010 only Ford and Citroen compete. Something like these who hoo stunts might capture people's interest.
BTW, the film exaggerates the power output of the Fiesta. Current World Rally Car specifications demand a 34mm air restrictor to limit output to 300
hp - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Focus_WRC
It's the old Group B supercars like the Audi quattro S1 that made over 650 hp - they were MUCH quicker than today's little rally cars. The most
awesome production car-based rally car ever, with a glorious 5-cyl engine note that makes your hair stand on end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R65pZz9rrM8&feature=related
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Ken has his gymkhana cars built specifically for these things. His gymkhana 2 car was a spastic build by Crawford performance in the states, started
with a stock car, and ended up as a full on competition car, theres a video around somewhere of the build of that one.
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Nonsense. Focus/C4 suspensions and brakes are little better, if at all, than Audi's expensive unlimited rally gear. Tyres probably yes. But even so
they can't make up for more than twice the power that the Group Bs had. In the video you can actually see the Audi wheelstand under acceleration at
one point. The Today's cars are production-based, with a 300-hp restricted limit. They can't even begin to compare with the unlimited Group B
supercars that were banned for being too fast and dangerous. One reason why the WRC has declined from the most watched motor sport category in the
world to something that barely registers now.
Audi ran the same S1 Sport quattro at Pikes Peak, where Walter Rohl set the course record in 1987 (and Michelle Mouton the year before - still the
Pikes holder of the fastest woman ever). This has only been beaten (by a matter of only a few seconds) by the modern custom-built mid-engined
Peugeots, Tacomas and Suzuki specials. They do run a WRC-style class at Pikes Peak today and their times are not even close to Audi's performance 25
years ago.
Yes that demo car might be de-restricted for the drifts, in which case it's not legal for WRC. The Audi S1 could do smoking drifts in the WRC though!
True Pete, they were set up primarily for the unsealed surfaces of the WRC then, and the Audi does use the nose-heavy Passat-style longitudinal front
engine layout. But they were also famous for winning the World Rally Championship four times (maker twice, driver twice).
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Carlos Sainz is my fav
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posted by Phil74Camper
Audi ran the same S1 Sport quattro at Pikes Peak, where Walter Rohl set the course record in 1987 (and Michelle Mouton the year before - still the
Pikes holder of the fastest woman ever). This has only been beaten (by a matter of only a few seconds) by the modern custom-built mid-engined
Peugeots, Tacomas and Suzuki specials. They do run a WRC-style class at Pikes Peak today and their times are not even close to Audi's performance 25
years ago.
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Pikes Peak is like a drag race with corners though, hillclimbing famously favours high-horsepower cars, whereas forest rallies are a completely
different kettle of fish. One thing I'm certainly not going to argue about though, those Group B cars were awesome and the world is a sadder place
for their loss. If cars like that were still racing then perhaps I would watch more rallying. To really capture my attention though, I think the cars
should be more heavily production-based, not less. Remember when the Evo and WRX were actually competititve rally cars, and you could buy a road legal
car which was actually nearly identical to the rally version? That was fantastic! You can guarantee that many of the RX Imprezas sold during that
period went to owners who wished that they were WRX STis instead, complete with mud tyres. The current crop of WRC specials should be forced to be
homologated if you ask me. Bring on the 300hp turbo 4wd Citroens and Fords, let's see them sold as road-legal performance cars. Perhaps then the WRC
would actually be relevant to someone.
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 11:57 AM |
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Carloz Sainz saw the light - he has graduated from Toyotas and drives for Volkswagen now. Dakar winner this year in the Race Touareg...
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 12:06 PM |
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Lol, I have unintentionally followed in his foot steps
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 02:26 PM |
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Makes ya wonder how many spectators got bowled 
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| posted on September 24th, 2010 at 05:13 PM |
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Nonsense. Focus/C4 suspensions and brakes are little better, if at all, than Audi's expensive unlimited rally gear.
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The audis were far from the most developed car during the GroupeB era. In fact, by and large they were the least developed. The Ford RS200 is widely
accepted as the car that got near full potential... and it was only 1.8l turbo. Not only that, but GroupeB went for such a short time that the sort of
development that would have allowed for even half their full potential just didn't happen. Some of it was siphoned off into other forms of motorsport
like touring cars, which is why the Cosworth Sierra was such an awesome car.
The cars that were quickly created during the GroupeB era were really quite crude. The current WRC by contrast has benefited from more than 30 years
of (macpherson and chapman) strut suspension technology and composite materials development. Current cars have full cages inside that stiffen the
shell to make the suspension work instead of the body flexing. Most the of the Audis had bolt in cages. And the engine/trans placement in the audis
was so bad the radiator had to go at the back of the car. They were nose heavy and awful. Even the final evolution was pretty bad that way. That's
why they had to throw them round so hard. Then there is the turbo setups the current cars have. Audi just put the biggest turbo possible on and wound
the boost up til the motor couldn't handle anymore. Once they found the limit they'd back the boost off a few pounds and go rallying. Very crude.
These days drivers get top torque power right across the rev range and shift at 5k rpm. And pikes peak is not the judge of the best rally cars.
Like waveman said, it's HP fest with some corners thrown in.
P.s. waveman, you should have a look at some of the PRC Evos and WRXs being raced over here at the mo. They have quite limited mods for what they are.
Cage, suspension, brakes and a few little engine/trans mods. You can buy one for less than $30k and they are very fast... if a little too precise
compared to a RWD.
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