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 posted on April 25th, 2011 at 03:35 PM |
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Seat Belts . . . again.
Hi everybody.
I want to fit inertia reel seat belts to my 1967 Aussie Built Type 1.
Mine has only got front seat belts at the moment, but they consist of only the sash part (over the chest), not the lap part! Might as well not have
them in my opinion. 
I've seen that some models come with the bottom mounting already there from the factory, and I haven't had the time to have a look, and frankly I
don't want to pull off the trim just in case I ruin it - and only to find nothing there.
Would any of you know if my model comes with the mounting or not?
Chassis built between December 1966 and July 1967 (if that helps).
Thanks in anticipation.
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 04:08 PM |
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not on the 2 i have
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 04:40 PM |
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Ahh crap! 
Er . . . thanks hellbugged. 
Do you have belts fitted, if so do you reckon you could throw up some piccies or at least a quick explanation of how you fitted them?
Thanks again.
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 05:04 PM |
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yep yep......i use these plates.....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180597255291&ss...
and the 90' angle plate and bolt from the front of bay window kombis or early golfs with inertia reels
or try these.....
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C26%2D857%2D024
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C45%2DRB%2D20305
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 05:08 PM |
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Hi
My 1st bug was 63 austerity model, it had the lower bolt for the lap part. Try having a poke around with a pin.
Steve
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 05:15 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1303Steve
Hi
My 1st bug was 63 austerity model, it had the lower bolt for the lap part. Try having a poke around with a pin.
Steve
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where?......the b pillar?........heater channel?....floor pan?
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 05:46 PM |
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Hey hellbugged
Thanks for the reply and info. 
To be clear: As I don't have the hole at the base of the B pillar, (I have yet to check - but believe you)  I should get the plates from ebay (your first link), then once they are welded in place I
can attach either one of the other brackets (whichever suits) listed in the other two links?
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 05:59 PM |
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Thank you for the link hellbugged,just goes to show you should learn something every day or it is wasted.You are also right about the sash mounts and
no floor point on the 67 . Cheers Les
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 08:33 PM |
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thats the one, use those plates for rear belts 3rd point as well. will get some pics tomorrow
http://www.hemco.com.au/seatbelts.html#gpsb
http://www.klippan.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/klippan/Home/Klippan_SA
http://www.klippan.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/3b1d40004188f52e9795ffe319f5dd06/GE...
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 09:40 PM |
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I have fitted retractable belts my karman convertable and used a square plate under the floor pan with a angle bracket made of 50mm x 50mm x 5 angle
to carry the reel, this has no offset as shown in some of the links so the load is a direct pull through the floor, the plates with the capsulated
nuts should not be used as they have square corners and would pull through the floor under load, they should have as radius of at least 12mm so they
do not tear the sheet metal , the engineer i used was quite specific when mounting the belts and have used him also to fit harnesses to my other
beetle
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 10:34 PM |
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Thanks for your comments vwo60.
I'm guessing that the same problems DO NOT arise when these plates are welded to the base of the 'B' pillar?
Thanks also to hellbugged. I'd like to see some piccies of your setup, I'm sure they'll be helpful.
Also thanks for the links to seat bellt sites, but I already bought a set through George at Classic Vee Dub. Just had another look in the box, and
they come with the same brackets in your first CIP1 link above.
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| posted on April 25th, 2011 at 11:40 PM |
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shit hey might have to grind off the corners on those plates.........so i can join the perfect world too 
if you want to go down the engineered route, you will find the top (shoulder) location in the body will need plating too.......that's what my
engineer has indicated
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 08:09 AM |
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Drill hole the correct size through the flat part of the floor next to the B pillar, the plate goes under the floor and use a 7/16" UNF grade 8 bolt
bolt to secure the angle bracket to the floor, i would not advise you to weld the bracket to the B pillar as i do not think that it would be approved
as it is not a factory weld and will require a lot more work to install anyway, you then can mount the reel part of the belt and the other end of the
belt to the angle bracket, i have installed the belts in my cab but do not have any photos and are totally different to your fitment, i checked on my
early car and this set will work perfectly without ant welding. sorry to disagree with you hellbugged but if the top mount is factory you will not
need to engineer it and it will need to be engineered as per the vehicle code.
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 08:22 AM |
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I know this is not about the original post (I apoligise), but how and where do people fit anchor points for kiddy seat in the back of the beetles?
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 08:58 AM |
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I know this is not about the original post (I apoligise), but how and where do people fit anchor points for kiddy seat in the back of the beetles?
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oh bloody hell!.........you will have to see an approved licensed child restraint fitter for the correct way to go about that
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 09:01 AM |
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posted by vwo60
Drill hole the correct size through the flat part of the floor next to the B pillar, the plate goes under the floor and use a 7/16" UNF grade 8 bolt
bolt to secure the angle bracket to the floor, i would not advise you to weld the bracket to the B pillar as i do not think that it would be approved
as it is not a factory weld and will require a lot more work to install anyway, you then can mount the reel part of the belt and the other end of the
belt to the angle bracket, i have installed the belts in my cab but do not have any photos and are totally different to your fitment, i checked on my
early car and this set will work perfectly without ant welding. sorry to disagree with you hellbugged but if the top mount is factory you will not
need to engineer it and it will need to be engineered as per the vehicle code.
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all good
The top mount is only for sash belts.....so was told it would need strengthening modifications.......just goes to show even engineers opinions and
approvals vary. there is an older thread on here somewhere of this being completed for proper approval (in NSW)
would love to see this car of yours, sounds really nice and well done...are there any pics of it here yet
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 11:29 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Hi
My 1st bug was 63 austerity model, it had the lower bolt for the lap part. Try having a poke around with a pin.
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where?......the b pillar?........heater channel?....floor pan?
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Sorry it was 40 years ago I when I owned this bug, I cant remember where it was mounted
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 01:00 PM |
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Hey guys, let's not argue over this stuff. I don't want to start a war.
I don't want to penny pinch either, and it's better to be safe - so I'll get a local engineer to check it out and give me advice.
So vwo60, if I'm reading your explanation correctly, I won't have to weld at all? Just drill a hole the right size and bolt the thing in? Wouldn't
welding the plate too be safer?
I really do appreciate your help and advice, as that's what the Vee Dub World is all about after all (IMHO).
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 03:31 PM |
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| Quote: | oh bloody
hell!.........you will have to see an approved licensed child restraint fitter for the correct way to go about that
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Emmmm? Interesting response!
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 05:34 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1303Steve
| Quote: | Originally
posted by hellbugged
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posted by 1303Steve
Hi
My 1st bug was 63 austerity model, it had the lower bolt for the lap part. Try having a poke around with a pin.
Steve
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where?......the b pillar?........heater channel?....floor pan?
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Sorry it was 40 years ago I when I owned this bug, I cant remember where it was mounted
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Steve I must be as old as you as I can remember those early lower mounting points,I think they were a mongrel size and took the normal 7/16 bolt
inside them as there was only a lap belt at that time,but as you say that was 40 years ago. Cheers les
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 05:56 PM |
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Hi Grumble
I'm old, in VW years I'm an Oval with click clack doors and heart shapes.
Steve
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 07:29 PM |
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Yep you are around my vintage! 
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| posted on April 26th, 2011 at 07:30 PM |
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grumble can i ask how did the dinosaurs die out since you where there after all???
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| posted on April 27th, 2011 at 08:40 AM |
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I have had a look at the vehicle regs for Queensland,
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/0cfd9741-715c-40ff-9806-f0a1223af8ef/codeof...
and the requirement for the renforcement plate under the floor is 3750 square MM, i used a 50mm x 75MM x 3MM plate, 50MM x 50MM x 5MM angle for the
bracket that you bolt the reel and belt end to,i use Richard Larsen at Load Safe Engineering - PH 38511066, he is a automotive engineer and not a
fitting station, he will tell you the correct requirements and after you fit them will sign of on them, he has done all the mods on both of my cars
and does not charge the earth.
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| posted on April 27th, 2011 at 08:24 PM |
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Thanks vwo60.
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| posted on April 27th, 2011 at 09:06 PM |
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Old Timer,
I thought these two links might help you in your tasks.
http://www.thebugshop.org/bsfqblts.htm
http://www.thebugshop.org/bsp57_10.htm
Kev
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| posted on April 28th, 2011 at 05:57 PM |
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Hi Kev,
Yes indeed, very helpful, thanks.
Now get back into that garage and finish that orange beastie! 
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