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 macdaddy67350
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| posted on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:10 PM |
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1916 hp ?
Hi guys just had a 1916 built and was wondering if any one else out there would know what sort of horsepower i might expect from it . IT made 86 hp at
the tyres yesterday , was hoping for about 100 but maybe i was expecting too much, any help would be appreciated , thanks
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| posted on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:30 PM |
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Hey welcome to the forum, but man, that's like asking how long is a piece of string !!!
Previous incarnation of my engine was 1916, 8.95:1 compression, 40x35 valves, cam between a Engle 110 and 120, mild porting job, 44 IDF's and it got
around 80hp at the wheels.
Current version is still 1915, same case, crank, pistons, barrels but new heads, 11:1 CR, 44x37.5, FK87 cam, wedge ports, tall manifolds, dry sump.
Pretty wild all-out-race motor really. With 44 IDF's and various vents, jets etc it's pulled 119, 125 and 132hp at the wheels. Converted to Haltech
EFI and that climbed to 142.6hp.
So... depending on what you've got internally, somewhere between 80 and 140 is about right.
What did you ask your builder to build, and what does he expect from it ???
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| posted on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:31 PM |
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Combination of parts, whre do you ant your horse power? How long will it last before it breaks, maintence, Revs???
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| posted on May 2nd, 2011 at 10:43 PM |
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86hp at the wheels should definitely get a bug moving! Don't start to get too disappointed until you've driven it! 
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| posted on May 2nd, 2011 at 11:17 PM |
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You should be getting somewhere around 240HP, like Johannes from JP Motorsport on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dRORDF5X9g&feature=player_detailpage
Na only kidding 86HP is not a bad # depending on your combo, tell us more.
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 08:01 AM |
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65HP is good for a base street 1916 
86 is better
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 AM |
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i reckon 86 is a pretty good figure. What are some of the motors specs?
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 PM |
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Before falling for vw's I was a japspec guy and, thanks to publications such as fast fours and rotarys, I thought anything under three thousand
horsepower lame.
80+ hp In a Vw will certainly give many people a shock when you plant the go pedal 
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 01:35 PM |
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Is this for street or strip?
Power to weight, low gearing and good traction is the VW advantage, like the others have said 85hp at the wheels will make for a quick vw on the
street.
I was getting that with my supercharged 1600 and it was a blast to drive, my supercharged 1776 and the subi are good for about 100hp at the wheels and
in an overweight Lbug thats makes for 0-100 in 7secs which will make alot of V8s upset.
Doesn't take much to get these little cars cranking, just ask Rose about her 1916 bug embarrassing the V8s at the strip 
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 01:47 PM |
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yeah at Warwick VW 1/8 mile drags, just about all of the 1916 bugs did 10-11 sec passes
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 06:11 PM |
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2.0L type 4 in my Kombi with stock CR, 40mm dell's, custom exhaust, ported heads, cam, and lightened flywheel made 79.8hp atw. engine is long in the
tooth(365000+km) but it pushed my bus down the 1/8 in 11.35@ 58mph. Bus is a fair bit heavier than a bug so 86hp should be a bit of fun to drive!!
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 06:22 PM |
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I'd be interested in some specs too... We are currently building a 1916 also. And sides, if they are the heads I have now they are 40x35's..... They
have had some work done now though. 42x37.5's would be nice!
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 08:27 PM |
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Doh - my bad !!!
Thanks Mick - have fixed up my post.
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 08:54 PM |
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There are not very many 100+ HP beetles driving around (regardless of cc capacity) so 86hp should make for a quick street beetle. 
As a comparison: A Pobjoy Base 1916 is around 75-77hp (Kadrons, standard heads etc).In a 800kg beetle you will get down the quarter in 16 flat (high
15's possible) at 80mph. A Subaru liberty with the 3lt 6 cylinder boxer motor and 6 speed will get a 15.7sec...........and yes I have tested this
Don't get caught up with the dyno figure, it really means nothing unless you are using it for measuring a change that you have made or directly
comparing it with another car that was run on the same day.
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:01 PM |
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thanks heaps for the replies i'll get all the info on my engine and post it , i can tell you that its got a 110 engle cam empi heads with twin 40mm
empi carbs and its in a J&S beach buggy that weighs about 660kgs
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:23 PM |
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then that HP is good
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:32 PM |
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That's in the range of 130HP/tonne........very good fun!
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 PM |
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My 1916 is 2/10th of second quicker over the quarter mile at Warwick with 96HP from a K8 cam than 99.9 from the previous W130 cam. Go figure.
I've taken my engine from 76, 83, 89, 99 and 96 all with the same block, pistons, carbys and compression. You can make a big difference with the
choice of head, choice of cam and getting things like timing, exhaust, inlet manifolds and carbys right. There can be a nice art to squeezing out the
horsepower as opposed to cheque book racing. Beside, it provides hours of head scratching entertainment.
86 is pretty good.
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| posted on May 4th, 2011 at 10:39 PM |
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Hi again , here's the list of components in my 1916
Engle W110 cam
i beam rods with ARP bolts
94mm piston and cylinders
8 dowelled crank
Scat lifters
Empi solid rocker kit
SS pushrods Empi head stud kit
Scat swivel feet adjusters
Empi Heads ported and polished
Empi 40mm downdraft carbs
8.3:1 comp
kennedy clutch kit
86hp@5800
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 07:05 AM |
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ValveSize? Headwork?
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 07:15 AM |
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I would be VERY happy with 86 ponies with that set up
Well done
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 07:23 AM |
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The HP figures always depend on which dyno your on
As per above the figure is only a guide and next time you make a change, go back to the same roller and operator to compare your figures
Dont use any other machine or operator
that HP in a buggy will get you anywhere reasonably quick
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 07:59 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by macdaddy67350
Hi guys just had a 1916 built and was wondering if any one else out there would know what sort of horsepower i might expect from it . IT made 86 hp at
the tyres yesterday , was hoping for about 100 but maybe i was expecting too much, any help would be appreciated , thanks
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Well 86 @ the wheels aint bad as said . And very close to the 100 you were after at the crankshaft. Mitchell
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 07:45 PM |
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That seems like awesome power for that set up mate! I'm surprised it made that to be honest! Where did you get it dyno tested?
Would be a blast to drive
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Hi again , here's the list of components in my 1916
Engle W110 cam
i beam rods with ARP bolts
94mm piston and cylinders
8 dowelled crank
Scat lifters
Empi solid rocker kit
SS pushrods Empi head stud kit
Scat swivel feet adjusters
Empi Heads ported and polished
Empi 40mm downdraft carbs
8.3:1 comp
kennedy clutch kit
86hp@5800
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 09:05 PM |
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Had it dyno'd at Jakes Performance in Canberrra, going to race it at wakefield park on saturday 21st May at the VW supersprints, anyone else going to
the sprints or to the nationals at Fairfield?
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 09:08 PM |
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Anyone know how to add an avatar to my profile ?
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| Quote: | Originally
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, anyone else going to the sprints or to the nationals at Fairfield?
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Almost everyone (except me  )
Pretty sure the V Force boys are going beetle racing
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| Quote: | Originally
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yes sure do i made my avatar an avatar
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| posted on May 7th, 2011 at 10:14 PM |
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I'm going racing in Ian's 70 bug can't wait and Andrew in his buggy from newy
I'd be happy with that hp
My best time out of a 1916 on 1/8th mile was a 9.66sec my oval only weighs 687kg and around 65hp
poor bazza
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Almost everyone (except me )
Pretty sure the V Force boys are going beetle racing
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
Is this for street or strip?
Power to weight, low gearing and good traction is the VW advantage, like the others have said 85hp at the wheels will make for a quick vw on the
street.
I was getting that with my supercharged 1600 and it was a blast to drive, my supercharged 1776 and the subi are good for about 100hp at the wheels and
in an overweight Lbug thats makes for 0-100 in 7secs which will make alot of V8s upset.
Doesn't take much to get these little cars cranking, just ask Rose about her 1916 bug embarrassing the V8s at the strip
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yeah but V8's are slow and heavy. I even flog most V8's up to VT versing me in my V6 VP.
few minor mods the relatively stock engine puts out now around 190-200hp in the one of the lightest commy of all at only 1250Kg. 0-100 in 6.5~ sec.
 used to do 0-100 in 12sec. Don't know what happen there  oh only a near complete rebuilt of the car and it still looks like a POS
with all the paint looking like used sand paper It what inside that
counts and P/W ratio make a difference.
Most cars are 1700Kg now. ffs a 2001 Hyundai accent weighs more than my commy sad but true
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