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| posted on July 8th, 2011 at 08:58 AM |
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Video - Volkswagen Amarok TDI and Toyota Hilux SR5 comparison
An NRMA Volkswagen Amarok TDI and Toyota Hilux SR5 comparison. These are the 'highest spec' models available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7e_SfYsteE
Note the comment about the Amarok not having a 'low range' 4WD option. This is only true of the top 'Ultimate' model with permanent AWD. The other
more 'workhorse' Amaroks have switchable 4Motion with the low range setting. The NRMA admits that these models are better than the HiLux offroad as
well.
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| posted on July 8th, 2011 at 11:53 AM |
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Interesting. I am a grey nomad and tow a 17ft caravan and will be upgrading to a turbo diesel of some sort next year. Comments on the grey
nomad/caravanners forums suggest these (the Amarok) are a fine vehicle with a couple of small issues which will make them rarely seen in front of a
caravan. The first is that they are a bit high geared to pull a couple of tons off the mark without slipping the clutch. The second is that they
feel the clutches (no reports yet to back this up) wont go the distance in heavy duty tow situations.
Other than that they weem to be pretty happy with them.
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 06:20 PM |
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Hmm, I'm not sure what sort of Volkswagen authories people on 'grey nomad' forums are, but the facts are:
VW Amarok - 6 speed gearbox, 400 Nm, 2800 kg braked tow capacity
Toyota HiLux - 5-speed gearbox, 343 Nm, 2250 kg braked tow capacity
This alone shows that the VW is a better tow vehicle than the Toyota. As for the gearing, the chart below shows how they compare. As you can see, the
VW is lower geared (numericall higher) than the Toyota across all five gears - then adds a sixth gear that the Toyota lacks. You can use the revs/km
column to work out how fast the motors rev at any given speed. Eg for the Amarok in 6th gear at 100 km/h : 1096 x 100 / 60 = 1826.6 rpm. Or the
other way - An Amarok turning 2000 rpm in 1st gear : 2000 / 8366 x 60 = 14.3 km/h.
To quote the July/August 2011 'Open Road' (page 44) - "The Toyota Hilux is the best selling ute and has been for years, but at this end of the ute
segment, where buyers are looking for work and play, its easy reign has definitely come to an end. The Hilux feels dated next to the VW - and we're
not sure the updated Hilux, due soon, will address that. Volkswagen has entered the most heavily competitive end of the market with a vehicle that
looks better, feels better, drives better, is bigger inside and out, and can tow much more than the Hilux. The king is dead."
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who realy drives a $60000 4wd like that in the bush
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 06:36 PM |
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Ian as tested the VW is from $58,490. The Toyota is from $55,690. Not much difference.
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 06:43 PM |
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Thousands of peoples.........................
look at all the Prados and Land Cruisers out there
One of my guys just paid $75k for a prado Kakadu with 30k on the clock
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 07:52 PM |
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Phil
Not sure what you mean by the comment about the grey nomads lurking on VW forums, but I am living proof it happens.
You dont see a great number of Toyo Hi Lixes dragging vans. They dont do it as well as some other such as the Tritons, Pajeros, the New Challengers
etc etc. I dont doubt the torque figures but you have to start somewhere to get all this mass moving and they dont do it very well at all.
We are talking real world experiences here from the most experienced group of drivers in the country. In caravan terms, the Hi Lux is a known piss
poor performer off the mark, with almost everybody complaining about having to slip clutches to get almost 2 tonnes off the mark. Even worse if it is
uphill or on slippery surfaces. Once you get em rolling of course, thats another matter. I have seen very few Toyo manuals doing this job.
If you are one of the urban warriors then you probably dont experience these issues, but as I say, out there in the real world.....
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 08:03 PM |
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99.9 % don't see a rocky hill climb 
so it sounds like the better buy would be the vw auto Ute.
As who doest buy autos these days.
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 08:12 PM |
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For towing, auto is the way to go. One good feature is that the cruise-control doesn't need re-setting every time there is a gear change. My T5
[400Nm, 6 speed auto] is the best tow vehicle that I have owned.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 09:00 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by HappyDaze
For towing, auto is the way to go. One good feature is that the cruise-control doesn't need re-setting every time there is a gear change. My T5
[400Nm, 6 speed auto] is the best tow vehicle that I have owned.
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agree, the amorak auto is surely not too far away which would make a brilliant tow vehicle. I have done plenty of towing with the 5 cyl tdi vw engine,
they are awesome engines and love towing.
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 09:16 PM |
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I'm not sure where this 'towing' thing came from either - I didn't mention towing in my original post, and the NRMA video and Open Road article
mention it only to say that the Amarok is better at it than the Hilux. No one is saying one or the other is the best possible towing vehicle of
all.
If someone on the caravan forum has suggested that an Amarok is "too high geared", then hopefully the gearing data above has dispelled that. I
can't make any comment on clutches , but with 'no reports to back up' claims they 'won't go the distance' - that's all they are, claims.
Without foundation, I would suggest. Currently Australia only sees the 6-speed manual Amarok. There won't be an 'auto' version. We will get the
6-speed DSG (which can be driven like an auto if you choose) next year.
Triton? 2.5-litre, 400 Nm (same as VW) but only at 2000 rpm. 350 Nm at 1800 rpm. VW is 400 Nm 1500-2500 rpm.
Challenger same, 400 Nm at 2000 rpm but 350 Nm at 1800.
Only the Pajero with the 3.2-litre has more than the 2.0-litre VW with 440 Nm at 2000 rpm. But they start at $60,500.
I suppose if you want the ultimate towing VW you'd choose the Touareg. No, I don't need to pull a van, as I have a Kombi Camper which is fine for
the weekends I use it for. My late Dad used to pull a caravan with his '59 36-bhp Beetle in the early '60 (with a Sabo on the roof too) - I can tell
you he went through a few clutches (and engines too, for that matter). . .
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| posted on July 10th, 2011 at 09:45 PM |
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nice one, was looking at the amarok the other week, still need to justify it tho!... that Tent fella looks familuar 
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| posted on July 11th, 2011 at 08:19 AM |
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Being that I am a devout HIlux owner and do do liked dual cab a lot after seeing an amarook up close at work the other day I am seriously leaning
towards the volksy as my replacement for my hilux in 18 odd months time.
As for the comments about nomads towing and taking off up slippery hills and rough terrain how many really do that??? My inlaws are nomads and from
what they tell me in their travels all over aus about 10-15% actually tow off road in some form of rough stuff. Most stick to the main roads etc when
towing big vans(over 2.5t) cause of the sheer size. They are towing a 28ft van which weighs 3t using a v8 petrol cruiser on gas. And he has had the
clutch done in that as well.
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| posted on July 12th, 2011 at 09:13 PM |
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The open road article gives the Amarok the thumbs up in just about all areas and gives it a great write up in comparision to hte HiLux.
"In the end,Toyotas HiLux is the best-selling ute and has been for years,but at this end of the segment,where buyers are looking for work and
play,its easy reign has definatley come to an end.
The HiLux feels dated next to the VW(new HiLux model to be released).Volkswagen has entered the most competitive end of the market with a vehicle that
looks better,drives better,is bigger inside and out,and can tow much more than HiLux.The King is dead"End quote Open Road,July/August.
Sounds like a great vehicle,lets hope VW continue production of this model for years to come.
I wonder how much they would give me for trade in on a well loved Syncro.lol
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| posted on July 12th, 2011 at 09:22 PM |
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Sorry Phill should of read your earlier posts again.Only got the Open road today.
I am very excited about the Amarok.
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| posted on July 13th, 2011 at 08:43 PM |
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The Amarok wont be getting the VW group's direct shift gearbox because it doesnt work off-road. When the DSG slows to a holt it slips into neutral to
save fuel which is bad news on a steep hill off-road, when releasing the brake there is too much roll back. Same reason the touareg was not released
with DSG. The new Touareg has a japanese made 8 speed auto that is the duck nuts, hopefully they use this in the Amarok as well
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| posted on July 14th, 2011 at 08:31 AM |
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Yes, I think you're right about the Amarok not getting DSG, even though most reviews I've seen seem to assume it. I think that would be because the
DSG is not at its best at crawling speeds, not whether it works off road. Yes the DSG wasn't fitted to the Touareg, and the Race Touareg uses a
sequential shift manual box. However the 4Motion Caddys and T5s have DSG if you wish, although they aren't real 'off-road' 4x4s.
With our work Caddys with DSG, we avert rollback on hills by holding the footbrake (left foot) for a moment as you apply throttle (right foot). You
don't drive it like an auto (off brake then on throttle) or it rolls back. No big deal. But not ideal for off-road, as you say.
The 8-speed auto looks great but I can't find any links to confirm who makes it - where did you hear it was Japanese? The Touareg is made in
Bratislava, Slovakia, alongside the Porsche Cayenne and Audi Q7 but I guess in the modern VW Group that components would be shipped all over the
world.
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| posted on July 17th, 2011 at 07:26 PM |
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Checked the race signed one at Mcgraths today.
Awsome,even better in the flesh.
Was too early for a test drive,will go back another day,when I dont have to work.
Heaps of room inside in the back,massive tray(was parked next to a Navara,no comparison),really big unit,high off the ground,car like interior,very
very nice vehicle.
I want one!
Should be a hit,would be excellent if a big organisation bought them as their fleet cars,(ala Telecom and Syncro early 90s).
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| posted on July 21st, 2011 at 01:00 AM |
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Having run a fleet of the D4 hiluxes I would order a duel cab hilux auto. I have driven a few on mine sites & very happy with them the auto shifts
very nice and the turbo keeps spooled up. The only issues I have had with the new D4 hiluxes is the front drive shafts. I have a 120 prado auto D4 and
it is very good.
I have the new 2011 vw passat wagon. I filled up yesterday 62 ltrs , I covered 997ks & had 3 ltrs left ( I think the tank is 65 ltrs ) very happy
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 posted on July 21st, 2011 at 10:07 AM |
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Is a box a square.
i bought a SR5 auto Hilux in January and i am very pleased with it. A couple of points that cooled me on the Amorak were no auto and i find the shape
a bit boxy. My better half not liking anything but 89 Caravelles thought the Amorak was too square, so i suppose opinions are like backsides.
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