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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 06:01 PM |
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need seatbelts in rear to register ghia?!?!?
ok so i went to do my blueslip today on my imported ghia, this is the 1st time that it is being registered in australia.
all went well, apart from 3 things.
misaligned left headlight. (easy enough fix)
no rear reflectors (easy fix)
missing rear seatbelts.. (not missing i told the guy.. there never were any)
he sais cars built after 1 jan 1971 need to have adr aproved rear seat belts.
ok so now i need an engineer and someone to fit, weld drill, new rear belts. after the fact that the interior is finished 
Damn. anyone have any recomendations in sw sydney for this kind of work,
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 06:09 PM |
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You might be between a rock and a hard place as the fitment of seat belt after that date is manditory, if you are going to use the back seat you willl
have to fit them, I fitted harnesses to my ghia and it is now a two seater, I just cannot carry passengers in the rear which is no concern to me, to
fit them i think you might be able to get away with lap belts, very easy to fit as these would only require four holes to be drilled under the back
seat and the belt bolted in using the correct size renforcement Plates. PS, you could have had the ones i took out as they were in as new condition
but they hit the bin.
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 06:11 PM |
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He is right about the seatbelts. You dont have to have an engineer to fit the seatbelts, you do need new belts, and use the mounting plates that are
supplied when you buy a seatbelt kit. There is not necessarily any welding required. You will only have to put lap belts. We do this every day at my
work on old English cars. Rear reflectors and rear seatbelts are always done. No welding required for the rear seatbelts using the seat belt kits.
I am in Vic, cannot do it for you.
An engineer is required if you change the number of seating positions. For example you have a VW Van, and it was only originally registered on the
compliance plate with 2 seats. Then you want to put seats in the back.
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 06:42 PM |
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I had an arguement with a bloke that worked for the RTA.As I have a microbus that is a nine seater.He tolled me that I needed an engineers certificate
to add or remove any seat from your car even if it was tempory arrangement. That they didn,t go by the appliance plate,But by law I am ment to have it
on the car.It sometimes depends on who you get when you ask.
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 06:50 PM |
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As far as I can remember, the VIN sticker on our 72 actually says it is a 2 seater, even though it has the rear seat. Just get them to register it
that way unless you want it to be 4 seats.
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 07:27 PM |
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normally a imported car needs a engineer's report. for Oz rego.
or had it already been rego in australia before.???
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 07:45 PM |
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Never heard of that one Ian. I know a few people who have imported cars and bikes. They havent needed engineers reports unless they were modified( rhd
converson or performance)
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 07:50 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by yarrum
I had an argument with a bloke that worked for the RTA.As I have a microbus that is a nine seater.He told me that I needed an engineers certificate to
add or remove any seat from your car even if it was temporary arrangement. That they didnt go by the appliance plate,But by law I am meant to have it
on the car. It sometimes depends on who you get when you ask.
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I have heard of this before...
2 seater needs an engineers certificate because You took out two seats...
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 07:58 PM |
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yes, that's what the Rta told me.
Apart of the check there is a .
design check, with a engineer's report or without.
I just take the back seat out as I wouldnt want any one in the back not to be wearing a seat belt if I was., as it looks like there is a few mods on
this car already, the Rta also may send the car in for further inspection after the blue slip.As they do random checks.
and yeah try vintage Vw
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| posted on September 6th, 2012 at 09:16 PM |
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I have two cars that are registed as two seaters as i have fitted harnesses to them, this was conditional for the fittment of the harnesses, this was
a approved engineering change to the vehicle and the car's both carry a blue plate for that mod. i have spoken to my engineer over the years about
the fittment of my belts and he has stated to me that a seat belt mount is a structual point and needs to be engineered and in Queensland accompanied
by the manditory blue plate.
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| posted on September 7th, 2012 at 07:52 AM |
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Hi
Wouldn't the Ghia already have the mounting points under the trim in the rear?
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| posted on September 7th, 2012 at 08:52 AM |
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Classic should sell some lap belts, just bolt em in for the RWC and then remove if u want. there should be bolt holes for the belts
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| posted on September 7th, 2012 at 12:00 PM |
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no the karmann ghia never had rear seatbelts at all.
am now being told i need a engineers certificate, only found this out from the engineer himself.
calling the monkeys at the rta has been no help at all as i have called them 3 times and to verify what needs to be done to register an imported car
that has never been registered in australia and they kept telling me to get a blue slip, green slip and rego.
it would have been good if any of them actually knows whats going on.
if i have to engineer it, so be it! i dont have a problem with that....
BUT it would have been nice to do that before i paid the grease monkey 132 bucks for him to tell me i have 14 days to get my seatbelts sorted and pass
the blueslip or else he was going to have to charge me again. and now i have a dead line to try and get that done and the car engineered.
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| posted on September 7th, 2012 at 01:02 PM |
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The mechanic isn't a mind reader. You obliviously booked it in for a blue slip so you got charged for what you wanted.
Not the inspection stations fault that you where miss informed. Maybe you should have made more enquires prior.
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posted by rickp
no the karmann ghia never had rear seatbelts at all.
am now being told i need a engineers certificate, only found this out from the engineer himself.
calling the monkeys at the rta has been no help at all as i have called them 3 times and to verify what needs to be done to register an imported car
that has never been registered in australia and they kept telling me to get a blue slip, green slip and rego.
it would have been good if any of them actually knows whats going on.
if i have to engineer it, so be it! i dont have a problem with that....
BUT it would have been nice to do that before i paid the grease monkey 132 bucks for him to tell me i have 14 days to get my seatbelts sorted and pass
the blueslip or else he was going to have to charge me again. and now i have a dead line to try and get that done and the car engineered.
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| posted on September 7th, 2012 at 03:29 PM |
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The RTA know about the engineers , they have a list of Rta approved engineers.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/authorisedinspectors/vsccs/vsccs_vehic...
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsccs_bulletin_01.pdf
That car never came out with 4 wheel disc brakes, so i ask the engineer to have a look at those to.
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| posted on September 7th, 2012 at 04:28 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1303Steve
Hi
Wouldn't the Ghia already have the mounting points under the trim in the rear?
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| posted on September 7th, 2012 at 04:42 PM |
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never said he was a mind reader,i am not blaming the grease monkey for the stuff up. i blame the RTAs monkeys asi did call the RTA numerous times and
asked the relevant questions only to be steered in a opposite direction,
if the RTA had told me that i needed an engineers then i would have obviously done that 1st.
i repeatedly told them of the cars history and told them that the car was not registered in australia.
if i cant go by what the RTA tell me then how am i supposed to guess the procedure to register my car???
i dont mind getting the car engineered, in fact i was going to do something about seat belts later on as i want my kid to enjoy the car also. what i
dont like is that no one at the rta RMA or whatever thay call themselves these days seems to know whats going on
| Quote: | Originally
posted by rose
The mechanic isn't a mind reader. You obliviously booked it in for a blue slip so you got charged for what you wanted.
Not the inspection stations fault that you where miss informed. Maybe you should have made more enquires prior.
| Quote: | Originally
posted by rickp
no the karmann ghia never had rear seatbelts at all.
am now being told i need a engineers certificate, only found this out from the engineer himself.
calling the monkeys at the rta has been no help at all as i have called them 3 times and to verify what needs to be done to register an imported car
that has never been registered in australia and they kept telling me to get a blue slip, green slip and rego.
it would have been good if any of them actually knows whats going on.
if i have to engineer it, so be it! i dont have a problem with that....
BUT it would have been nice to do that before i paid the grease monkey 132 bucks for him to tell me i have 14 days to get my seatbelts sorted and pass
the blueslip or else he was going to have to charge me again. and now i have a dead line to try and get that done and the car engineered.
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| posted on September 7th, 2012 at 05:48 PM |
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In Queensland the main roads do interpret the rules, so it is a waiste of time phoning them, it always require a engineer to do that and take the
responsabilty for the modifications.
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| posted on September 9th, 2012 at 02:23 PM |
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Spot on - here in QLD Main Roads states that even if the vehicle was never Australian delivered it must meet the ADR's of VW's in that year - go
figure!
Mine has been a real drama
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| posted on September 9th, 2012 at 06:45 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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I just take the back seat out as I wouldnt want any one in the back not to be wearing a seat belt if I was
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Thats what I plan to do with my KG.
Remove the seat, Board up the hole and carpet the lot. Then register it as a 2 seater.
Who would want anyone in the rear, anyway?
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| posted on September 9th, 2012 at 06:54 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by rickp
never said he was a mind reader,i am not blaming the grease monkey for the stuff up. i blame the RTAs monkeys asi did call the RTA numerous times and
asked the relevant questions only to be steered in a opposite direction,
if the RTA had told me that i needed an engineers then i would have obviously done that 1st.
i repeatedly told them of the cars history and told them that the car was not registered in australia.
if i cant go by what the RTA tell me then how am i supposed to guess the procedure to register my car???
i dont mind getting the car engineered, in fact i was going to do something about seat belts later on as i want my kid to enjoy the car also. what i
dont like is that no one at the rta RMA or whatever thay call themselves these days seems to know whats going on
| Quote: | Originally
posted by rose
The mechanic isn't a mind reader. You obliviously booked it in for a blue slip so you got charged for what you wanted.
Not the inspection stations fault that you where miss informed. Maybe you should have made more enquires prior.
| Quote: | Originally
posted by rickp
no the karmann ghia never had rear seatbelts at all.
am now being told i need a engineers certificate, only found this out from the engineer himself.
calling the monkeys at the rta has been no help at all as i have called them 3 times and to verify what needs to be done to register an imported car
that has never been registered in australia and they kept telling me to get a blue slip, green slip and rego.
it would have been good if any of them actually knows whats going on.
if i have to engineer it, so be it! i dont have a problem with that....
BUT it would have been nice to do that before i paid the grease monkey 132 bucks for him to tell me i have 14 days to get my seatbelts sorted and pass
the blueslip or else he was going to have to charge me again. and now i have a dead line to try and get that done and the car engineered.
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Yep. You called it.
Noone Knows whats going on.
And noone wants to take responsibility.
When you first dont succeed, pay an engineer.
At least you buy someone to take responsibility.
That allows the useless burocrat to process your request without it taking responsibility.
Maybe cynical, certainly sad, but true nonetheless.
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| posted on September 10th, 2012 at 07:20 AM |
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The RTA would have assumed (like me) that the Ghia had belts. Did you ask the RTA if it needed belts before you went for a blue slip?
Aren't the holes already there for the belts?
Have you looked?
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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| posted on September 10th, 2012 at 05:33 PM |
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Ok the belts have nothing to do with the engineers certificate. Sure they Need engineer certification., however even of it did not need seatbelts and
had passed the blue slip straight off the bat, I would still need a engineers report/cert in order to register the car. I did not know that, the Rta
did not tell me that and I only found out when I was talking to the engineer about the seatbelts.
So the order should have been
1. Engineer report/ cert
2. Blue slip
3,green slip
4. Registration
The Rta neglected to mention the engineer each and everytime I talked to them, however it needs to be done and it is stipulated in the vsi4. Now how
is one to know this if the Rta can't point you I'm the right direction?
Anyway lesson learnt, found a engineer that is going to go through the car once I get the seatbelts sorted out ( wich may take a while)
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