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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#999943
So out of the blue the bug has developed an ignition problem, turn the key, dash lights come on, turn further to start and nothing changes, the dash lights stay on the same brightness but nothing else, starter doesn't click, doesn't even try to turn the engine over, nuffn, any clues as to where to start?😠
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#999949
Just some more info that may or may not be relevant, when the ignition is turned on the hand brake light is illuminated even though the hand brake is not applied. It goes out when the engine is started ( clutch start) not sure if it did this before, I have had the car for only a few weeks. 😏 and can't say that I have noticed it before.
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#999959
Souds like the ignition switch contacts have worn out. Might just be the plug on the column , what model car, guessing your cabriolet
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#999961
Yes Mat, 76 cab, converted to RHD about 20 years ago as I understand it
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#999963
Being converted, they may have extended the wiring harness, possibly a connection has failed where there is a join if poorley done, but usually it's the switch or a wire fallen off with your symptoms.
So check the plug at the column, the small wire on the starter solenoid (and under the back seat there is a connector/join in the starter cable), any joins in the harness relating to the ign switch or extension, or the electrical part of the switch.
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#999968
Hmm, just went out to the garage to start investigating, hit the key and it turned over imediatly, turned it off and tried again nuffn, hit it a couple of more times with no go and then and it worked, next time no go 😬 sounds like (before going in deeper) like you may be on it Mat , with the worn contacts, are all these switches interchangeable?
And how do I get the aftermarket steering wheel off, I've tried everything except brute force and a FBH, but can't find the secret.
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AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#999974
Starter motor could be defective.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#999975
That's what I thought at first but my limited knowledge suggests that if the starter is the problem then the dash lights would dim when i tried to start it, no?
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#999982
yep, usually the lights will dim suggesting some actual current flow to the starter.

Steering wheel, you have to get to the nut that's under the horn button....the rest is up to you without a pic to help
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7,671 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·

#999983
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AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#999997
donn wrote:That's what I thought at first but my limited knowledge suggests that if the starter is the problem then the dash lights would dim when i tried to start it, no?
No, not if the starter is o/c. short brushes, solenoid defective etc.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#1000001
^ correct, but in 35 years I've never seen a starter fail into o/c like that, (that I can remember) and in this case the problem comes and goes so my call is switch or wiring o/c (open circuit)
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#1000005
Hmm, we'll after an hour or so in a fruitless effort to remove bathe steering wheel I tried starting it again, I've found that by wiggling the key I can get it to start ( still spasmodic fault though fails outnumber the successes ) maybe it's just a worn key😁
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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#1000011
If the key was too worn, it would not turn the ignition, or any key would turn it. If it is turning, it is OK. The problem is the switch at the back of the ignition.

The steering wheel should come off if you have undone the nut on the top of the column. Post a photo.
From your ole' mate Jeff

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#1000017
I've just noticed that it is a '76. These have the plastic ignition switch that fail. They are very cheap and easy to replace.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#1000019
Jeff, please don't bring logic into the discussion, it never works with me🤪 but I think you may be correct as I have an almost new key and that made no difference, finally got the wheel off, seems I was trying too hard,😂tonight I'm going to see if I can get the switch out, hopefully it's like AA003 says buy I'm not hopeful
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AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#1000035
I carry a spare in my glovebox in both T3s. That's how reliable these switches are.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#1000046
OK, I've got most of it disasembled (hopefully I can reasemble it when I get the new part 🤪🙅) but I cant figure out how to get the last piece out, the piece with the electrical connections right at the back, I can't get the plastic cover off, seems that it has to come off when the steering column is removed, I'm thinking that there must be a spring clip or screw holding the last piece in. Hopefully I can load some pics

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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#1000050
Don, on the other side of the column, there is an allen head screw that tightens a clamp around the steering column. Undo that, and you should be able to slide the cast piece off with the switch in it.
It should look like this - you can see the clamp on the left.
From your ole' mate Jeff

donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#1000077
ALL GOOD woohoo😵😉🤓😂👍 Well it seems to be all good, time will tell I guess, thanks Mat, AA003 and Jeff, oh, and h for the gee along and Glen T for trying to help when he realy didn't have much time to spare. Yep, it was the plastic electrical connection thingie, and now I know how to get to it (really simple when you know how) it should be a damned lot quicker if I have to do it again, got the part in Newie too so that's a bonus. Comboyne here we come.
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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#1000080
Great news.

Looking forward to seeing you at Comboyne.
From your ole' mate Jeff