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HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#1002389
I just looked at the photo of Steve's son's car, and can't believe people who drive like that are allowed on the road. Please post it here, Steve.

Every day there are news items about cars running into houses, killing innocent pedestrians, etc. What the hell is going on???? I've been driving for rearly 60 years, and have never seen such bad examples of driving as I have seen lately.

Is it too easy to get a licence? Are driving skills not regarded as important any more? Do we just accept mediocrity, or that cars will just 'run off the road' by themselves?

All motor vehicles, and roads, are much better than ever before....therefore the problem has to be drivers!

My rant for to-day....
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

fish26 Fahrvergnugen

903 posts · joined Jul 2007 ·

#1002414
I agree, no chances one strike and watch your car being crushed.

Young punk inexperienced drivers full of bravado not yet paying tax and being fuckwits on the road with high powered vehicles.

Bring back compulsory enlistment, that'll sort most guys out, teach them about responsibility, discipline and respect.
bitten by the bug..........several times

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#1002418
HappyDaze wrote:I just looked at the photo of Steve's son's car, and can't believe people who drive like that are allowed on the road. Please post it here, Steve.

Every day there are news items about cars running into houses, killing innocent pedestrians, etc. What the hell is going on???? I've been driving for rearly 60 years, and have seen such bad examples of driving as I have seen lately.

Is it too easy to get a licence? Are driving skills not regarded as important any more? Do we just accept mediocrity, or that cars will just 'run off the road' by themselves?

All motor vehicles, and roads, are much better than ever before....therefore the problem has to be drivers!

My rant for to-day....
Not sure, sure is damn hard to get a license these days.

The shit my younger siblings had to go though to get theirs where I just missed out and was still on the old system.

Ls with no amount of logged hours required Ps for 2 years and automatically full license.

now its minimum logged 120 hours with nazi strict rules. fudge the log book any amount and you have to start again. P for 4 years now? (red green thing)

Not sure whats going on nor have I seen anything elsewhere as I don't follow any media and haven't for many years but have noticed a huge amount of careless and dangerous driving from 50+ drivers locally in the last few years but thats just my area.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

landfall Officially Full-On Dubber

290 posts · joined Jun 2014 ·

#1002421
Gadgets and complicated vehicles.

A bit hard to concentrate on driving while checking the iPhone, GPS, iPad, finding out which damn switch does what and why is that particular noise emitting from the dash?

Add that to the 25" widescreen all in everything in the middle of the dash and you have a recipe for disaster.

Plus, just for good measure the majority of driving schools teach one thing and one thing only. HOW TO PASS THE DRIVING TEST!

Nothing to do with driving skills, just pass the test and if you survive the next six months, everything should be OK.

There you have my rant as an ex driving instructor and owner of a driving school that refused to teach people to just pass a driving test.

MY68VW Seriously Crusin Dubber

181 posts · joined Aug 2006 ·

#1002425
Everyone should have to pass an advanced drivers course to get their full license.

There's little point in teaching people how to pass a test if they're not taught how to drive.
Tuned Type IV power - shaking out the rust.

silver Dangerous when poked

2,169 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#1002431
My Daughters both attended Ian Luffs Drive to survive course..for L drivers
2 days tuition 1 in the classroom 1 on the road cost $140 ...cant believe how cheap it was and its worth 20 hours in the book
I believe this type of course should be compulsory
my daughter passed her test 1st time, the certificate from Luffs course was duly noted by the examiner.
Keeping it real !

grumble Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,672 posts · joined Jun 2008 ·

#1002439
HappyDaze wrote:I just looked at the photo of Steve's son's car, and can't believe people who drive like that are allowed on the road. Please post it here, Steve.

Every day there are news items about cars running into houses, killing innocent pedestrians, etc. What the hell is going on???? I've been driving for rearly 60 years, and have seen such bad examples of driving as I have seen lately.

Is it too easy to get a licence? Are driving skills not regarded as important any more? Do we just accept mediocrity, or that cars will just 'run off the road' by themselves?

All motor vehicles, and roads, are much better than ever before....therefore the problem has to be drivers!

My rant for to-day....
Greg unfortunately the do gooders have got us stuffed,we have writers for the underprivileged or uneducated,translators for the people who can't speak,read or write english and various others who help the people who shouldn't be driving get a licence and we also have the boneheads who just don't have a licence and still drive anyway. When I was a young bloke the police sort of knew most of the young blokes and would pull us up have a word and kick us up the dinger if they deemed it necessary,we learnt quickly and didn't do it again,these days unfortunately
they have no respect for authority.

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#1002440
landfall wrote:Gadgets and complicated vehicles.

A bit hard to concentrate on driving while checking the iPhone, GPS, iPad, finding out which damn switch does what and why is that particular noise emitting from the dash?

Add that to the 25" widescreen all in everything in the middle of the dash and you have a recipe for disaster.

Plus, just for good measure the majority of driving schools teach one thing and one thing only. HOW TO PASS THE DRIVING TEST!

Nothing to do with driving skills, just pass the test and if you survive the next six months, everything should be OK.

There you have my rant as an ex driving instructor and owner of a driving school that refused to teach people to just pass a driving test.
Oh yeah, forgot about new cars and their complicated over the top controls for the most basic functions.

That wouldn't help with any driving situation.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

cnfabo Custom Title Time!

1,353 posts · joined Apr 2008 ·

#1002452
HappyDaze wrote:I just looked at the photo of Steve's son's car, and can't believe people who drive like that are allowed on the road. Please post it here, Steve.

Every day there are news items about cars running into houses, killing innocent pedestrians, etc. What the hell is going on???? I've been driving for rearly 60 years, and have never seen such bad examples of driving as I have seen lately.

Is it too easy to get a licence? Are driving skills not regarded as important any more? Do we just accept mediocrity, or that cars will just 'run off the road' by themselves?

All motor vehicles, and roads, are much better than ever before....therefore the problem has to be drivers!

My rant for to-day....
Where do I find the photo??

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#1002465
helbus wrote:We have three cars in our stables. None of them have Accessory position on the ignition, as they have no accessories. Start, lights, wipers, horn. That's it. There is too much for some people to comprehend on modern cars.
yeah even my most modern car has the basic plus few extras compared to classics.

start
lights
horn
indicators
hazards
wipers/washer
fan/heater

modern features

radio (cassette deck!)
cruise control
electric mirrors
A/C
and a speed alert which I can set at 195km/h lol, this is a new feature I never seen before.

then the vw is just the same as the basics list above.

I've driven many hire cars and i can say that most are confusing to work out where the basics are that were standard configuration since the 50s

There was one, can't recall what make but there wasn't a head light switch, I couldn't work out how to turn the lights on then found it was automatic when it got dark. who the f**k would want automatic headlights?

a hyundai I drove wouldn't let me steer where I wanted 🤪 the steering kept trying to override what I wanted to do. just awful and scary.

on a ford focus the wipers where bs! its had this variable speed dial that was extremely sensitive that you had to use to set the wiper speed. I spent ages are lights trying to get it to work with no avail.

These are real problems for the driver. This is what happens when you have fashion designers design cars instead of engineers.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

Allbones Officially Full-On Dubber

395 posts · joined Jul 2012 ·

#1002469
My biggest gripe is that everyone drives so self righteously. It's never their fault, always someone elses. No one looks out for anyone but themselves, and the sad part is that if you do try to accomodate others, you end up nearly crashing anyway because they dont know how to merge or can't maintain speed... 😬 😬 😬

Infuriating.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#1002471
Hi

Saturday night some guy jumped in his car, hit 3 cars in his street, then hit my sons Skyline then drove anther 200 metres with both his front wheels hanging off the car and hit another car and then crashed into someone's front yard, all in very quiet Lugarno.

Car wasn't worth much, its just all the bits on it including the rare SSR wheels he had on that are valuable.

Steve

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HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#1002472
Thanks Steve.

"Car wasn't worth much".What if David had been getting in or out of the car at the time?..... Doesnt bear thinking about.😬
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#1002473
Ha ha and the blue triangle to indicate the battery location, must be a riceing car, I assumme he was drunk or off his face on some drugs. Fwit 😬😬👎
Oops, sorry, I thouught the red car was the one driven by the perpetrator of the crime.
I dream of a day when a chicken can cross a road without being asked for it's motive!

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#1002474
Hi

Greg, my wife was dropped of by friends 10 minutes before this happened, this idiot could have hit her or her friends.

Donn, the car was primarily used for drifting, so its a ricer car that as made in Melbourne.

Were looking at replacements now, most likely a Nissan Cefiro, very rice.

Steve

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modnrod Fahrvergnugen

978 posts · joined Mar 2011 ·

#1002477
Really sorry to hear about that Steve.
Some of those parts are bloody hard to find in this country (I've had a few whizz-bangs!), so I feel for your young bloke.

I've used this bloke for some decent parts, excellent quality of service, although your son may have his own contacts.
http://jessestreeter.com/
I've actually got old VW bits ex-Japan from him too in the past. Just saying.........
😁

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#1002478
Hi

He bought all his wheels through jessestreeter.com via Yahoo Japan, great guy to deal with

Steve

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#1002479
sorry to hear steve,
hopefully it ends well
“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#1002481
Allbones wrote:My biggest gripe is that everyone drives so self righteously. It's never their fault, always someone elses. No one looks out for anyone but themselves, and the sad part is that if you do try to accomodate others, you end up nearly crashing anyway because they dont know how to merge or can't maintain speed... 😬 😬 😬

Infuriating.
oh dont get me started on merging!!!

Sometime i wish I'd just t bone people to teach them a lesson but that would make me a bad as them and i'd wreck my car.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 ·

#1002577
You should see the drivers here in Bowral. Old farts in Volkswagens everywhere!😂
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#1002587
AA003 wrote:You should see the drivers here in Bowral. Old farts in Volkswagens everywhere!😂
That's why I avoid the area. 👍
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#1002691
Hi

Well the good news is a family friend of the guy who ran into my sons car has paid him out, $2000 for the car and $2000 for the wheels and he gets to strip the wreck.

Steve

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#1002703
That's a help, Steve.......but the idiot will still be out there.

Perhaps his "family friend" will also shout him some proper driving lessons ❓
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

landfall Officially Full-On Dubber

290 posts · joined Jun 2014 ·

#1002704
HappyDaze wrote:That's a help, Steve.......but the idiot will still be out there.

Perhaps his "family friend" will also shout him some proper driving lessons ❓
Wouldn't necessarily help!

Trust me, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

I had a few students over the years that in the end I told their parents that they where wasting their money and I would know longer teach.

helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body

7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#1002752
Simple things like. Actually stopping at a stop sign, and stopping before the White line (not half way over it) are not something a lot of drivers care about these days.

I pose something to all AVD forum members who care to look.

Check out the following link and videos and think about whether you think about the road rules. It is Vic oriented, however much of it is relevant to all of the country.

Vic Road rules videos
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helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body

7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#1002754
I dont think the Hook turn and Tram video's will help anyone not in inner Melbourne.

Still simple things that I was taught and still adhere to like making sure I allow 3 clicks of the indicator before moving, and a turn of my actual physical head and eyeballs to do a head check, before changing lanes.

Using my eyeballs to check before and double check while reversing. Yep never reversed into anyone.

2 seconds rule following behind other cars. Worked well, as I have been driving 23 years and never run into the back of anyone. Trust me, there has been a number of hard braking episodes, and my distance has saved me.
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#1002757
here is 3 tips I leaned myself that no one taught me.

1. when pulling out of a parallel park nearest to an intersection thats behind you. do a head check of the left rear of your car as you can't see drivers turning left out of that intersection while you pull out.

I have found cars appear out of no where even though a head check of the rear right and all mirrors were used. They came from the intersection.



2. depending on your car blind spots. When changing lanes from right to left in urban areas with street lights. Watch out for black cars sitting left and slightly behind you. Impossible to see in those lighting conditions even if you are doing a headcheck whilst moving across. I advise move slowly across and play by ear even if you are sure there is no one there. I have had this happen and lucky i moved slow across and heard them beep but still couldn't see where they were until they dropped back til the headlights appeared in the rear mirror. The street lights scattering on my cars glass is brighter than black cars in the street light. So they are not visible at all even though I am literally looking at the car. The head lights were mounted low on this old car so they were under my mirror view, low beam as well.

Something like that really makes you think.


3. face door mirrors out until passing cars appear to as one vehicle across any mirror at any given time. Basically as hald the car is in the rear view mirror, the other half should be in the door mirror, should be like this for either left or right door mirrors. There should be absolute minimum image overlap on 2 mirrors.

So when a car passes you you see it move from rear to side mirror, to peripheral vision without gaps. basically 360º surround vision without needing to do heach check, but doesn't mean you should not do them as you still can miss cars and bikes.

This setup eliminates blind spots from (car dependent, doesn't work on new cars with tiny windows and cathedrals pillars) lane distance onward but still has some blind spots within your own lane, so motorbike rider?

Anyway I have never not seen motor bike riders and cars during day time with this setup. its fantastic. unlike the conventional "door mirrors to the back quarters view " that gets taught to everyone. Someone on thesamba told me this and its fantastic! highly recommend it.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE