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blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1003741
Hi all I bought a 1962 beetle the other week, really good solid car, no rust. It has a new front beam with disk brakes. Couple of things, the steering doesnt self return to center, so I guess you'd call it quite stiff. I backed off the steering box adjuster to no avail, just gave more play in the steering wheel, The steering box is new too. Its all greased up under there so whats going on there?

The other is it leans to one side on the front, the left side is an inch or more lower than the right if you're facing the car. I know this can happen to the rear due to the torsion bars but how can it happen at the front? The new beam is adjustable and it also has drop spindles. Strange it would have both? The car is lower but not really low just a bit.
Thanks 😊

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1003749
Ok, first is what type of beam has been fitted as 62 didn't come with discs as standard until after 67.

So makes me wonder what's been done under there.

For the steering get the front wheels off the floor and see if the steering is still heavy. Check the box actually has gearse in it as there have been reports of some new boxes being dry.

Not self centring means she needs the suspension alignment checked as toe, castor and camber could all be out. Also, check that the tie rod ends rock side to side to make sure they aren't seized.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1003752
thanks I'll definatly check the grease in the steering box, how do I do that? the front beam had no grease in it at all, all lubed up now though. I dont know what beam has been fitted, but I had a wheel alighment done the other day still not self centering. I'll check the tie rods but they look brand new too...

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#1003759
You could isolate the steering problem by dis-connecting outer tie rod ends - one at a time.

The height difference could just be tight link pins on one side. Back off the adjusters, and 'bounce' the front up and down....see if it helps.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1003763
Im in Brisbane, Where are the link pins?

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#1003764
blompod wrote:Im in Brisbane, Where are the link pins?
In Brisbane, also ?

I think you should get hold of a workshop manual.....and start reading.👍
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1003777
Yeah Im going to order the idiot book 😵
If my front beam has disk brakes then would it not have ball joints instead of link pins?

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#1003779
Don't think I'm picking on you, blom......I'm rude to everyone.😏

Oh yeah, and welcome by the way.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

BRUTUS Officially Full-On Dubber

255 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#1003780
You've never been rude to me. 🙁
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blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1003789
No worries, you're right on the money, I am keen to get that book. I edited the post above about the link pins 😁

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1003827
If you're one the northside you could swing by mine over the weekend and I could have a quick look for you.

Take the inspection cover off from under the bonnet behind the spare wheel. Then you can see the box and 2 plastic plugs either side of the adjusting screw. jimmy them out and poke a screwdriver inside. Comes out clean=no grease. Comes out messy=greased. 🙂
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#1003830
BRUTUS wrote:You've never been rude to me.
Gee, sorry BRUTUS.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!

LUFTMEISTER Veteran Volks Folk

2,041 posts · joined Jul 2005 ·

#1003836
Is it 4 stud wheels or 5 stud? Maybe an early body on a later pan. My2c 👍
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blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1003849
Thanks psimitar thats very kind of you, yes Im on the north side. Im at Ferny Hills. I took out the plug in the steerting box and dipped a screwdriver in, there was only a tiny little dob of grease on the tip of the screw driver. So I filled it with 90w gear/diff oil. Cool? I'll see how that feels. The car has five stud wheels, porsche fuchs style wheels, but I noticed the hubs at the front have been drilled to take these wheels.

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1003859
ARG NOOOOOOO. Only early steer boxes used gear oil. Later ones used grease.

I'm Ferny Grove so just a stone throw for you 🙂
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1003864
Oh shit really? got that info from "Rob and Daves aircooled VW page. They refer to super bugs too with that advice, better suck it back out then? Yeah you are just a stones throw 😎

How do you get grease in there?

cb john Wolfsburg Wizard

470 posts · joined Jun 2007 ·

#1003874
The new beam is adjustable and it also has drop spindles...


perhaps your castor needs adjusting..

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1003877
blompod wrote:Oh shit really? got that info from "Rob and Daves aircooled VW page. They refer to super bugs too with that advice, better suck it back out then? Yeah you are just a stones throw 😎

How do you get grease in there?
Grease gun with a solid pipe and the nipple connector unscrewed from the end.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1003982
Those tierod ends look new but are solid, can move them back and forth by hand. That might be the stiff steering problem. I think I'll put it into custom VeeDub at Stafford see what they can do.

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1004027
New ones should be stiff and would need a plumbers pliers or spanner to get them to rotate the tie rod slightly. If they don't move with a spanner/pliers then they are either stupidly tight or knackered.

Also, if you bug has a nose down rake from the front being lower than the rear then the beam probs needs castor shims fitted and that will help the steering self centre.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1004037
thanks mate, I sprayed the tie rods with Inox and that seemed to help a bit. I could crack the nuts on the tie rods and tighen them again without gorilla force. The front is lower than the rear, it also has smaller front tyres on the front than the rear. Im guessing the smaller tyre doesnt scrape the guard on a turn being lowered but the beam not shortened?

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1004114
It all depends how low and the width of tyre fitted as to when you start having rubbing issues plus a narrowed beam will actually make rubbing issues on the inner arch worse.

A std Bug at std ride height with 165/80x15 tyres shouldn't have any rubbing issues and an inch shouldn't give any issues either.

As an example mine is lowered 2 inches with a 2 inch narrowed beam and I've only lost about an 1/8 of a turn of steering lock but I did have to reshape the back of the headlight bowls a bit. This is on sloping headlights and I think there wing bowls are deeper than upright light wing bowls.

But you are right that being lower on the front than the rear along with lower profile front tyres will have changed the castor angle and this angle is what helps the steering self centre.
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

blompod Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Nov 2014 ·

#1004121
Thanks man I think Ive seen your bug around, I may have followed it up Settlement Rd once...... Mines cream and red two tone with rear wheel spats, mines a bit of a rat......

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#1004172
Yea, think I've seen yours around. Mine's not rego'd for a while now but if defo rat look 🙂
madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍