farquire Commited Dubber
71 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
looking at puting a 2.5 subi in my syncro would like to know what year model i can go to,before the higher tech engines make it to differcult
suitable 2.5 subi for syncro
Subarugears Officially Full-On Dubber
236 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·
Anything up to about 2007 is reasonably do-able. From around 2008 (give or take) they become CANbus and at this stage need either an aftermarket ECU or an older intake manifold and throttle body to use a non-canbus ECU. I'd be going for a 2000-2005 or so EJ25 twin cam - affordable, compact and reasonably low kms.
farquire Commited Dubber
71 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
thanks
Subarugears Officially Full-On Dubber
236 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·
No probs! We are about to test out our first Subie 5 speed 'Syncro' transmission in the USA. Should be interesting....
farquire Commited Dubber
71 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
looking at a 2004 ej 2.5 out of a liberty,but taking to richard jones at rjes told me that the liberty engine management fitted is not useale in a vw,but a impressa or forester should be ok,can anyone confirm this,don't want to buy a engine i can't use
thanks mike
thanks mike
mackaymanx Custom Title Time!
1,611 posts · joined Jan 2006 ·
Ok 2004 will have drive by wire throttle, is this the reason that rjes says it is not usable?
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farquire Commited Dubber
71 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
i've emailed him back asking why ,but wouldn't have thought it would be a problem if you have all the bits,
Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang
9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·
Setting up a fly by wire accelerator pedal is a pretty big job in a car not built for it and they are absolutely horrid to drive with, I hate modern cars with fly by wire.
My 05 outback engine had FBW throttle originally I ran an earlier loom and manifold.
My 05 outback engine had FBW throttle originally I ran an earlier loom and manifold.
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·
its all in the tune (DBW parameters)Joel wrote:Setting up a fly by wire accelerator pedal is a pretty big job in a car not built for it and they are absolutely horrid to drive with, I hate modern cars with fly by wire.
My 05 outback engine had FBW throttle originally I ran an earlier loom and manifold.
I have driven some sporty new cars with DBW and they were quite good. I agree that most are crap. I can't even drive most that have it as i can't get used to the lag, its like driving a car with dial up internet. The lag!!!
The lag is programmed on purpose to make the car "feel smoother" and stop people accidentally accelerating from blipping the throttle. When I blip the throttle on new cars with sloppy DBW, nothing at all happens. the ECU must just disregard it.
unlike my bomb when merely tapping the throttle = instant wheel spin side ways action or launching the car depending on traction. I have RPM derived spark control off which means the ECU will not trim "adjust" ignition advance to smooth power transfer with fast throttle changes.
This is a non DBW car made even more sensitive and responsive. Makes it impossible to drive smooth at low speed but damn its fun haha!
oops! I got away rambling about crap again didn't I 😂
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
Subarugears Officially Full-On Dubber
236 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·
C'mon guys move with the times - DBW throttle has been around on cars for years and years now.
Of course you can use it on a VW conversion, it's just replacing a physical cable with a physical electrical cable - what's the big deal?
I've seen a couple of ways of attacking it - (1) put the Subaru pedal in the VW to replace the VW pedal and then everything works, (2) Adapt the potentiometer on the Subie pedal to the VW pedal and then everything works, (3) Keep the VW cable and have it pull the Subie pedal in the engine bay (with the long part of the pedal cut off) and then everything works.
Joel's method works as well but takes the DBW right out of it.
Of course you can use it on a VW conversion, it's just replacing a physical cable with a physical electrical cable - what's the big deal?
I've seen a couple of ways of attacking it - (1) put the Subaru pedal in the VW to replace the VW pedal and then everything works, (2) Adapt the potentiometer on the Subie pedal to the VW pedal and then everything works, (3) Keep the VW cable and have it pull the Subie pedal in the engine bay (with the long part of the pedal cut off) and then everything works.
Joel's method works as well but takes the DBW right out of it.
farquire Commited Dubber
71 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
had an email back from richard at rjes and he insists that an aust 2004 ej 2.5 is CAN bus ,is he wrong?
mackaymanx Custom Title Time!
1,611 posts · joined Jan 2006 ·
Yes, I have a 2005 and it is not canbus.
This is how you tell
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=104200&page=2#pid978977
This is how you tell
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=104200&page=2#pid978977
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mackaymanx Custom Title Time!
1,611 posts · joined Jan 2006 ·
This if for a Liberty, if you have a Impreza, Forester etc check first
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sunburntwilly Learner Dubber
12 posts · joined Jan 2010 ·
So any updates on the subie Syncro? Very interested in this..🤓Subarugears wrote:No probs! We are about to test out our first Subie 5 speed 'Syncro' transmission in the USA. Should be interesting....
sunburntwilly Learner Dubber
12 posts · joined Jan 2010 ·
I'm on the cusp of buying a Syncro gearbox 4x4 but before I do has anyone heard anymore about the subie 5speed 'Syncro ' gearbox that was being fitted to a Syncro in May in the US?
Cheers all
Cheers all
Subarugears Officially Full-On Dubber
236 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·
He is still in the process of fitting up the front tailshaft, then the bus can be tested on-road. Once it has some good test kms under it's belt we will push the button on the Syncro kit production. We were shooting for Xmas availability but more like Feb/March now so we can have snow/sleet/mud tests and then production time.
sunburntwilly Learner Dubber
12 posts · joined Jan 2010 ·
So just wandering how things are going with the subarugears Syncro kit?
Cheers
Bob
Cheers
Bob
Yogie Moderator Custom Title Time!
1,608 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·
I also see that subarugears now do a wiring kit so you can fit the later canbus engines as well.
Yogie
Yogie
Subarugears Officially Full-On Dubber
236 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·
Well it's slow and careful progress and revisions.sunburntwilly wrote:So just wandering how things are going with the subarugears Syncro kit?
Cheers
Bob
The prototype one has been in the Syncro for a few months now, waiting to be finalised. Unfortunately (or fortunately) there are so many orders for Vanagon install kits that David has had no time to complete the Syncro setup as he has been making kits. We have now started to mass produce Vanagon install kits so his time should be freed up to finish the Syncro pretty soon.
The prototype gearbox has a big billet front plate with webs to support the bearing housing. You can see it in this first picture where the gearbox is in place and plumblines are across the chassis to get the output shaft in the correct location :
We found that the ribs on the top part of the plate, and the upper bolts holding the plate in prevented the gearbox from fitting in the correct location and still clearing the chassis. So I've revised the design to have the top bolts countersunk and remove the top ribs, but leave a large fillet on the top part of the bearing carrier for strength. As part of this process I also managed to manufacture these for a reasonable price so I think the Syncro add-on kit will be well priced :
This plate is now on it's way to the USA to be fitted to this gearbox and ensure we can make things fit correctly.
We're taking the time to ensure that the front tailshaft is on the correct angles so that the driveline is smooth and doesn't get the dreaded Synro wobbles. As part of this process, a laser cut steel gearbox nosemount is fabbed up so that an install kit will be affordable and readily available.
Subarugears Officially Full-On Dubber
236 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·
We have now launched Subatronics by Subarugears.Yogie wrote:I also see that subarugears now do a wiring kit so you can fit the later canbus engines as well.
Yogie
Details at www.subatronics.com
We make a CANbus adaptor that focuses on customers buying donor cars or front cuts of late model Subarus (2007 onwards) to use in their VW's. These have previously only been able to use aftermarket ECU's (which means the Dual AVCS function etc was not available).
Now you can use a late model Subaru as a donor, with it's standard ECU. This means unchanged perfect factory maps, dual AVCS, unchanged emissions and failsafes.
There's a bit to it so it's worth a browse of the website and the CANbus emulator does nice things like display engine data and display and clear any error codes to help you set up your conversion.
This opens up the world of late model 4 and 6 cylinder petrol and diesel engines as donors and I think we'll see some exciting projects come out of it.
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592 posts · joined Jan 2008 ·
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farquire Commited Dubber
71 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
been awhile, but i eventually fitted a 2002-3 2.5 to my syncro using mostly smallcar bits ,its been on the road for a few months now and happy with the result,highway driving is great and much better economy than the old mv and most hills are a breeze,though some times it will hiccup and miss abit,interested in getting some sort of OBD-2 scan tool that will work on this motor,does anyone use or recommend any particular one
mike
mike
mackaymanx Custom Title Time!
1,611 posts · joined Jan 2006 ·
I got this off ebay and downloaded the software. Worked with my brothers 2002 Liberty auto 2.5
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SUBARU-DIAGNOSTIC-USB-INTERFACE-1999-2008-OBD2-IMPREZA-LEGACY-OUTBACK-FORESTER-/321476696200?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item4ad9811888
Software is FreeSSM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SUBARU-DIAGNOSTIC-USB-INTERFACE-1999-2008-OBD2-IMPREZA-LEGACY-OUTBACK-FORESTER-/321476696200?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item4ad9811888
Software is FreeSSM
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sunburntwilly Learner Dubber
12 posts · joined Jan 2010 ·
I got a scan gage from amazon not cheap but can be fitted to the dash and run as a regular instrument that monitors temp/ revs etc and read fault codes. The one that trips my install every once in while appears to have something to do with the number of magnets used for the speed signal.
I have 6 magnets. It appears but not confirmed that 4 or even 2 would be enough. So how many do you have ?
I have 6 magnets. It appears but not confirmed that 4 or even 2 would be enough. So how many do you have ?
farquire Commited Dubber
71 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
i used a universal VDO vss for cruise control that spliced into the speedo cable from what i've read 8 pulses
Subarugears Officially Full-On Dubber
236 posts · joined Dec 2011 ·
The Subaru speed signal is 5 pulses per revolution.
farquire Commited Dubber
71 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·
🙂how good is it, found a simple fix for a problem that has been bothering me since the engine conversion,one fuel injector had the wires not clipped on, just sitting there making contact sometimes,now running beautifull🙂