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matara Custom Title Time!

1,342 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#10021
A friend came round in his Superbug at the weekend, and asked me to look at his car. We opened the lid, and he took the breather pipe off the oil filler, and a steady stream of smoky air was coming out. The car is a 1600DP and goes fine, no loss of power, although it has a habit of cutting out at lights (which I think is because the air going into the carb/air filter is smoky and reduces the o2 available to the carb).

Is this crankcase pressure caused by worn rings? I'm guessing that the rings let explosive gases blow by and into the oil and out through the breather??? The wierd thing is there isn't any sign of blue smoke at the exhaust???? Mmmmm?????

Any ideas?

Thanks

Steve

Secoh Fahrvergnugen

926 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#10027
excessive blowby is caused by worn compression rings. the oil control rings may still be fine, preventing oil to pass into the combustion chamber, but still allowing compression into the crankcase.
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Make it go faster!!

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#10063
some blowby is perfectly normal.

Trying to get a feel for what is normal and what is excessive is the tricky part.
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555bug WRX Bug Boy

1,123 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#10066
throw a vacume gauge on it and have a look at the readings..that is the best way to determine what going on without riping it apart..unless you have access to a leak down tester

aussiebug Officially Full-On Dubber

246 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#10071
You could also try a compression test - usually worn rings will give low results.

A fresh 1600 will usually give 130PSI or higher (and all cylinders should be within 10psi worst to best).

As the engine ages the compression gradually drops, until at 100psi or lower it's time to start organising a rebuild, even though the car may still be driving just fine.

The lower the compression pressure the more blow-by you'll get. As has been said by Wes, you'll always get SOME blowby - the pistons/rings never make a perfect seal, but so long as there is little/no oil in the blowby the exhaust will stay reasonably clean, because the fumes have been recycled back through the engine via the breather tube up to the air cleaner. If the blow-by contains a lot of oil fumes you will get a smoky exahust and you'll also eventually clog up your heat riser so you'll end up with carby icing problems on cool/humid days.

Re the cutting out at the lights...that could be caused by:

1. a too-low idle speed - should be about 850rpm

2. Incorrect timing - should be 7.5BTDC with a vacuum distributor for example.

3. Air leak in the carby (throttle shaft) or inlet manifold (rubber boots or head/manifold joint).

4. Tight valves. These give a proportionally higher amount of leakage at idle (compared to cruising), so may not be noticable until the engine is idling.

Probably more reasons, but that's enough for now.

A good tune-up can help eliminate obvious problems, and help identify the less obvious problems.

There are complete tune-up procedures on my web site if needed.
Rob
Rob and Dave's aircooled VW pages
Repairs and maintenance for the home mechanic
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OvalGlen Custom Title Time!

1,361 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#10294
and points / coil / plugs , etc
Regards,Glenn>

aussiebug Officially Full-On Dubber

246 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#10572
Hi Geln,

Re the mention of the coil.

Funny thing, but my 1970 bug is still running on it's original coil, with 248,000 miles on the engine. The coil is bare metal - no blue or red coil for me!

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've always wondered why VW folks are always talking about replacing the coil.
Rob
Rob and Dave's aircooled VW pages
Repairs and maintenance for the home mechanic
http://www.vw-resource.com

70AutoStik Insano Dub Head

730 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#10699
A faulty coil is a common problem in older cars. The original coil is a quality unit, so breakdown of the cap is rare; usually they fail due to breakdown of the insulating/cooling oil - especially if one or more condensers have failed. The fault only occurs at high voltage, so the engine often runs and the fault is only found when power and smoothness appear on it's replacement. The Bosch GT40 (red coil) costs less than an original (if they're still available) and covers a lot of sins in an old worn motor due to it's higher output (fouled plugs, poor mixture, bad fuel...)

[Edit:] Back to the original question, I have had engines with excessive valve-guide wear that have produced excessive blow-by. Stock engines are supposed to have their valve guides checked/replaced at about 100k - wild cams and high compression can shorten this period significantly.

[Edited on 20-11-2002 by 70AutoStik]