Just picked up the latest VW Trends magazine, & as most of u on this forum may have figured out, I like talking about big motors, hp & dynos etc.............I also like comedy, & if u do too I suggets that u get a copy of this magazine, heres some combo's & numbers for u, U can join the dots.............all the numbers are at the wheels..........
First some street driven cars.
2442cc turbo Karman ghia, 284hp!
2275cc turbo Oval, 336hp!
1776cc Beetle 146hp...............
2332cc Beetle , 200hp
2275cc Turbo Manx buggy, 332hp
1914cc turbo Beetle, 266hp
Then the drag cars are all over the 300hp mark that I can see just from scanning over the article.
Just for some insight, Leighs 2007cc intercooled & injected turbo had 155hp @ the wheels & it was the quickest thing that I've been in. He also didn't have a huge fan strapped to the intercooler like the only intercooled turbo did in the magazine:kiss whilst on the dyno.
The article makes a good read at least😀
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
Hello boys!:o:o:o
Now THATS insane!!!
And if any Street Machine reader comes up with "thats not much" then they're forgetting these are powering cars under 1000kgs!
The Honda S2000 sports, with VVTi, multiple valves, multi-port injection and an 8500 rpm redline puts out 176 kW from 2 litres (at the flywheel), say 156 BHP at the wheels.....
and yet it is - allegedly - outgunned by even the NA volkswagens.
Do they have 1/4 mile times to back the power claims up? Are they really BS or are we too slow? I think someone said leighs 155 hp was made at low rpm, these cars probably make peak power at 7 - 8500 rpm im guessing. Have to get the article.
Craig Torrens6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
Oh yeh, the turbo Oval with the intercooler was the only one with disk brakes & IRS, the rest had drum brakes & swingaxle................then they ask, but how did my car just swing violently into the other lane & hit the wall.............
It's not rocket science!
They also bragged that the followed the turbo Oval for at least 30 minutes on the road to the Photo shoot, making it a true street car...............I'm in stitches!!😀
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
I also picked up my issue yesterday and had a chuckle at the HP figures.....so I went to the tech article on usefull conversion figures expecting to find one that said if outside the U.S. divide by 2.
The 1776 apparently runs 12.8 and a few of the turbo cars are in the tens so they may not be that exaggerated, just very full on race setups. I wouldnt compare them to a local car built to drive distances.
Shifty, you have hit the nail on the head dude, you need at least 150hp to run 12's over the 1/4, and 300hp + to run 10's.
But I bet if all these cars left Sydney to drive to nambucca, not many would make it.
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I remember reading an Article by Keith Sueme when he purchased that legendary chop top call look car from the 70's & took it home to England. It runs 12's with it's 2180 engine. In the states it was getting 180hp @ the wheels, but the most that he could get out of it back in England was 130hp @ the wheels no matter what dyno he used, & it was still running 12's as well. I know all dyno's are different but thats alot.
Dave, do u know what yours has at the wheels, from your 13.3 & pulling out of it after the filter hiccup, do u think that your combo would have 150@ the wheels. I reckon the spec of your engine kills that 1776, just on capacity alone. It does have higher compression than yours, but how much is that really worth?
regards
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
Jak,
I have no idea, I will bring it to the dyno day if I get it all back together in time.
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simon from noh20 in wa gets 120 hp chassis dyno from his 1776 ive seen footage of this car and believe it he says its all in the heads am going to have a go at building this motor myself . he has 7.5-1 comp and does 14-5 quarters
i can't remember the details regarding the 1776, but the h.p. numbers on the turbo ghia and the blue chop are definitely legit.
yesterday i shot video of that blue chop running a 10.13@136 mph at carlsbad... despite having 28% leakdown on one cylinder.
since the static c.r. is only 7.8:1, it's fully streetable, and he drives it on a regular basis... he also recently installed aem efi, it's making way more h.p. than what it was on that trends dyno day mag article.
Apart from the longevity of the motor, I'd hate to have to drive 155hp around town... 110 (see craigs dyno results) or whatever I've got is hard enough to hang on to when it's wet, and it's way too easy to get used to suddenly going fast. I suppose if it's manageable power it's okay, but 130 in a 50 zone can't be good. not that I'm that stupid. 😀 it's definately time to upgrade my handling:o and brakes...
blue74l wrote:This wouldnt happen to be Ocean Street Dan would it???????
yup, thats me :-)
mucho props to you aussies, btw, i have seen your jamboree vids, lotta h.p. down under.
here is a post on the clf from turbobobefi.com, regarding that blue chop: "Congrats to you guys for those mega runs on a track that is in need of repair. Since Scott won Dyno Day 2 at 336 R/W H/P, the new number to do 137 MPH at 1900 lbs.= 374 or 435 fly. He still has 4 more pounds of boost to go and 36 extra H/P on tap. Next year we will see 141 MPH and high 9's. Not bad for a STREET CAR!"
