Type 4 versus Type 1 weights

graham Commited Dubber

74 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 13 Jan 2004, 1:44 pm

#128835

1: Type 1 beetle engine in a buggy weighs 99kgs.
2: Type 1 beetle engine in a buggy with twin webers weighs 103kgs.
3: Type 4 engine in a buggy with porsche upright kit and twin webers weighs 111kgs.
All the weights are done on calibrated scales by Mike sharp.

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nbturbo Veteran Volks Folk

2,171 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 15 Jan 2004, 10:03 pm

#129807

Seems like a small penalty to suffer for all that cheap extra torque-wat to go

Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 15 Jan 2004, 10:09 pm

#129814

Wow that is surprising!! I thought there was much more difference!!
Mind you I have only compared a fully assembled type 1 with a fully assembled type 4. All the extra bit's on the type 4 probably add up to a bit more difference.
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Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 15 Jan 2004, 10:41 pm

#129833

graham wrote:1: Type 1 beetle engine in a buggy weighs 99kgs.
2: Type 1 beetle engine in a buggy with twin webers weighs 103kgs.
3: Type 4 engine in a buggy with porsche upright kit and twin webers weighs 111kgs.
All the weights are done on calibrated scales by Mike sharp.

What about weights of bare blocks ? The type 4 is running fibreglass tinware. Also what alternators did they have ?

Just interested as teh differance between a type 1 and 4 bare is more than that so the type 1 bolts ons must be heavier.

From memory the type 4 was about 20kg heavier as a long block than a type 1.

I could be wrong though as it was a long time ag.

Brad
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Meyers Manx Australia

graham Commited Dubber

74 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 16 Jan 2004, 8:29 am

#129892

I only posted what mike sharp sent me and he is very clicked on about all that stuff

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Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Jan 2004, 11:57 am

#129992

graham wrote:I only posted what mike sharp sent me and he is very clicked on about all that stuff

Ok coolio

Brad
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Meyers Manx Australia

Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 16 Jan 2004, 12:19 pm

#130000

Well, there you go. 15Kg

2 long blocks on my crappy bath scales (don't tell the missus!!)
type 1 (1600TP) 70kg
type 4 (2L) 85kg

Interesting to note, type1 gen+fan 9kg
type4 alt. +fan 6kg
Overall length of CASE type1 ~360mm, type4 ~400mm

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Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 16 Jan 2004, 12:27 pm

#130001

Oh,
I should mention type 1 in pic has oil.
Type 4 has no oil but heaps of crud on it 😀

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Jan 2004, 1:35 pm

#130018

Andy wrote:Oh,
I should mention type 1 in pic has oil.
Type 4 has no oil but heaps of crud on it 😀

So add 3kg and you hit 18kg

Brad
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Meyers Manx Australia

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Jan 2004, 1:36 pm

#130019

Can you also measure the sump depth from centre to see how much ground clearance you loose with a type 4

Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
Meyers Manx Australia

Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 16 Jan 2004, 10:46 pm

#130211

Again fairly rough measurements.
type 1 ~190mm
type 4 ~210mm
(center of crank to lowest part of case)
Both pretty much full depth end to end of case.
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graham Commited Dubber

74 posts · joined Apr 2003 · 16 Jan 2004, 10:51 pm

#130217

Andy,
we can get into a major long discussion about weights like is the flywheel lightened,crank size even rockers can all play a part in the overall weight of the motor. I only put the weughts up as Mike Sharp asked me too.
Graham.

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Andy Andy\'s Adventures

2,820 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 16 Jan 2004, 11:16 pm

#130233

No long discussion coming from me. As I said these are only elcheapo bath scales, so probably good to the nearest 5kg. Only trying to help answer Brads question as I happen to be in the middle of fixing both.
What I weighed were both completely stock motors in long block form, both have pressure plate and friction plate on flywheel as can be seen in photo.

About the only other things worth mentioning is the 1600 is Brazilian factory motor (don't think this makes any difference??) and 2000 is not clean so may be 1-2kg of dirt build up in and on it.

If anything it probably confirms Mikes info anyway.
Andy over and out :thumb