009 dissy...

Schmonno Learner Dubber

15 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 13 Dec 2002, 7:39 pm

#14771

Does anyone know what the points gap is supposed to be? I know that with the standard distributor it is .016" (0.4 mm) but I have a feeling it might be different for the 009. (?)

Also, since 009's are prone for flat spots.. what are their advantages (if any)? Would I be better off with a standard?

vwrallycar Insano Dub Head

721 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 13 Dec 2002, 11:06 pm

#14807

i run an 050 in my motors without any problem( both single or dual carbs).
point gap will be fine at .016"
try and get an 050 as i have seen them quite cheap

Schmonno Learner Dubber

15 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 14 Dec 2002, 9:31 am

#14841

Thanks mate, I'll do my research.. 😀

Che Castro ankle straps

1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 15 Dec 2002, 11:54 am

#14953

009's are known for flat spots because they are centrifugal only advance. so when u mash the gas down, u have to wait for the engine to speed up before the advance comes in.

with a vacumn advance it detects the increased throttle and advances the ignition to suit.

the 009 was never intended to work on aircooled vw motors. The stock vacumn advance dizzy will give you better response and fuel economy.

009's are notorious for bad build quality, its much better to use the stock vacumn advance for all the reasons above. There isnt much point in using an 009, the only exception is that if u cannot hook up a vacumn signal.

Woozy Seriously Crusin Dubber

118 posts · joined Dec 2002 · 15 Dec 2002, 1:53 pm

#14978

If 009 dissy's are prone to problems such as flat spots / poor build etc why are they such a common modification ?

-Please excuse my ignorance-

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Buggy Boyz

Former member · 15 Dec 2002, 8:05 pm

#15021

I am and have been running 009's on all my engines for years and I have NO FLAT SPOTS ... if you tune your car right, get it jetted correctly and keep it running right there is no problems.

Most of teh 009's I have seen having problems where either set wrong ie point gaps and had other engine dramas such as jetting or bad leads etc etc ..
I would never go back to a stock dizzy.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 15 Dec 2002, 8:17 pm

#15023

Woozy wrote:If 009 dissy's are prone to problems such as flat spots / poor build etc why are they such a common modification ?

A couple reasons
1) Cheap - compare a 009 with a good quality SVDA type dizzy
2) Bloody hard to hook vacuum up to dual carbs.

People then get mistaken that a 009 is part of the hot up......ie i cant afford twin Webers but i will whack on a 009.
A good example of misplacement is running a 009 and a Progressive. You are much better off with a SVDA and a Prog.....a good cheap combo.

Build quality is the main culprit. You tune a stock vac dizzy on static timing. You need to tune a 009 motor to no more than 30-32 total adfvance. The reason for this is if you then go back and check it static almost all of them will be different.

Out of interest Brad - what carbs are you running?

Futue te ipsum!!!

Che Castro ankle straps

1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 15 Dec 2002, 10:09 pm

#15055

yeah for a stock engine with an 009 i have heard of people getting rid of flat spots by running the carb richer, which sort of hides the missing advance.

Jon

Buggy Boyz

Former member · 16 Dec 2002, 8:30 am

#15086

I have a pict 31 on a 1500 sp
I have 40 DRLA twins on a 2L
Soon I will have a 32NDIX Zenith on a 2120 or a 44 IDF if the zenith don't pan out
I have also run 45 DRLA as a singl and heaps of Pict 34's
Never had a problem that couldn't be sorted.
I know a few VW mechanics who remove the vacum adavance on SVDA dizzy's cause they reckon they are more trouble than the are worth.

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Dec 2002, 9:03 am

#15088

Buggy Boyz wrote:I know a few VW mechanics who remove the vacum adavance on SVDA dizzy's cause they reckon they are more trouble than the are worth.

WOW - never heard of THAT one before. Mate, you should collect em and send em states way - you could make a tidy bundle and buy new 009's.

You obviously have seen both sides of the story with single carbs and duals ..... just a side of the story i have never heard

Futue te ipsum!!!

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Dec 2002, 2:44 pm

#15144

I actually saw in an old USA VW Mag yesterday the oo9 dizzy and the 050 dizzy..... and the 009 was a lot cheaper...
Vacuum advance dizzies are expensive so I am told.... 009's are an aftermarket item.
If You do go to a 009 and a Solex Carby, its best to time them with the engine running and time the actual advance.....
thats from memory... and My memory isn't the best today.. MY ...:birthday

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Dec 2002, 3:00 pm

#15147

Aircooled.net

SVDA $119 US + cap, rotor, points and condenser

009 $59.95 complete

One would assume there is a difference in something to justify the price difference - no?

http://aircooled.net/new-bin/kwsearch.php

Futue te ipsum!!!

OvalGlen Custom Title Time!

1,361 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Dec 2002, 9:03 pm

#15227

Have to agree with Blue.
It is just so interesting pulling both types apart : the difference in quality is HUGE.
I am thinking of increasing the rate of advance on my SVDA and reducing the total of the mechanical advance component but that is because it would suit a supercharger set up better.
However I would not leave one return spring out as is done in 009.

Regards,Glenn>

Grey 57 Old Grey Cruiser

2,937 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Dec 2002, 9:10 pm

#15228

Would a 36hp single vac advance dizzy work on a 1600sp.???
I believe these are dual advance units too. Mechanical and Vac.

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Dec 2002, 8:08 am

#15296

Dean the best one is the Mechanial advance one from a early Kombi.

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Grey 57 Old Grey Cruiser

2,937 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Dec 2002, 8:58 am

#15312

I have one these early bus ones,but the advance is trashed. The rotor won't return fully. Can you rebuild these ones. Does it cost much.:thumb

XXX-1.8T Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,113 posts · joined Oct 2002 · 17 Dec 2002, 10:01 am

#15331

when my dizzy got burnt in the fire i had to get a new one (1300) and my mechanic told me to get one with both vacuum advance and cyntripical advance.

But when i went to the wreckers they said the 1300 dizzys didnt come with both only with vacuum. Is this true?

So I ended up getting a dizzy from a 1500 with both vacuum and cyntripical advance
Is this good?

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Dec 2002, 1:40 pm

#15396

Dean

theres not much in the dissys, probally just frozen up with gunk n rust. there easy to pull apart n free up n re lubricate.

you could get an old Auto Electrical shop to test it for you, buy there probally chucked the test machine away by now, because of all the new computor EFIs etc etc

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XXX-1.8T Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,113 posts · joined Oct 2002 · 17 Dec 2002, 2:38 pm

#15409

what about my dizzy guys did i do the right thing?

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 17 Dec 2002, 4:08 pm

#15435

Sounds good to me... is your car running alright ??

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