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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#129809
Beetle = 12 deg
Bus= 17 deg
Porsche 924/944/181= 23 deg
Porsche 930= 25deg

Bus and 924/944/181 are also interchangeable

does this sound right ?


vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#129818
Depends on the Accummine

So did you buy the Kombi modified stub axles ???
I read it on FACEBOOK so it must be true


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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#129829
on the turps again dave 😀

No, did not buy.
will still need to get them done, but probably will use a local engineering shop:thumb unless the price is right for the others 😉 and they're ceramic coated😀😀

I now have a good 1800 Kombi box, now doing the research on the CV's.


Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#129894
Craig Torrens wrote:Beetle = 12 deg
Bus= 17 deg
Porsche 924/944/181= 23 deg
Porsche 930= 25deg

Bus and 924/944/181 are also interchangeable
I think you will find it safest to run either the bus and porsche 924/944/181 to a maximum of 17 degrees. You need to ensure you got the right CV before trying to run 22 degrees.

you might find this link interesting, will help positively ID the joints.
http://www.blindchickenracing.com/How_to/CVJoints_Axles/cv_joints_101.htm

and this one
http://www.blindchickenracing.com/How_to/CVJoints_Axles/axles_101.htm
but I think where it says type 2 and 4 are interchangable cos they are both 28mm should be 34mm.
Wes - www.offroadvw.net - 200HP Quad Cam V6 in a VW Baja - with climate control... 🙂
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#130141
Thanks Wes, already checked out the sites :thumb just wanted to confirm their findings😀

I will use the 924/944 CV's for the extra angles, probably buy new so they are the right ones, but will use the measurements as supplied to check.😎


Andy42 Insano Dub Head

709 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#130230
So where will you buy these new items from and how much are they??? just curious as i might want to go that way myself
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#130290
Will let you know, cost is about $100 per CV new.

I think this is the way to go :thumb


The_Bronze. Minister of Volkswagenism

1,922 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#130780
Currently reading Jeff Hibbards BajaBugs and Buggies. About a third of it is devoted to suspension setups and about two pages on CV options. A good read.

I think I feel more confused after reading it as there is so much that can be done.
Bronze.

Rathmines, Lake Macquarie, NSW.

Andy42 Insano Dub Head

709 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#131012
Just got a quote for a complete brand new 930 set up to suit my buggy and it came in a $700 US. Ouch do not think I will bother going with those🙁
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#131024
930 are bigger than 924/944,you need to modify everything to make them fit !


Andy42 Insano Dub Head

709 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#131025
Yeh this kit for the 930s comes with everything needed. At least that was teh price I asked for.
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#131030
probably an over kill for what we want, would be nice though 😀


Desert Moose Cut Cut Cut

2,098 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#147073
CV maximum operating angles

Beetle = 12 deg
Bus= 17 deg
Porsche 924/944/181= 23 deg
Porsche 930= 25deg

Bus and 924/944/181 are also interchangeable

does this sound right ?

G’day Craig
CV’s the Off Road racer’s nightmare, lol
Yes you can get 23 to 24 deg from 944 CV’s but don’t accelerate at this angle or it all goes south. You will save money in the long run going to 930 CV’s. Books like Jeff Hibbard’s Baja Bugs & buggies (published in the mid 80’s) are top books for playing, but when it comes to horsepower and racing it doesn’t stop there. To use 25 deg on our Racecar we need 930 CV’s, 4130 CV Boot Flanges, 4130 CV cages and we also use a CV polish bit to clearance new 930 CV’s. Ok this is Off Road racing and not black track but we don’t have the neck-snapping traction in the dirt.
Some Prices from Australian suppliers if it helps:
930CV from $130
Gearbox output flanges & axle flanges exchange $70ea
Chromoly cages from $100
Chromoly Boot flanges $45ea (a must)

Regard’s
Moose

hotdog008 Commited Dubber

61 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#147208
with 930`s won`t you need new axles too! more dollars.

reub VWRX is gone...

2,054 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#147371
Guess I'm lucky this was done. Modified type 3 drive flanges, 930 cv's, romac billet axles. Should hold up to the subie.
Reub

Desert Moose Cut Cut Cut

2,098 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#147413
hotdog008 wrote:with 930`s won`t you need new axles too! more dollars.
Yes axles as well. (Didn't think of that because I modify them to 650mm long anyway

MikeM Buggy Head

1,429 posts · joined Aug 2003 ·

#148591
A quote from www.offroadracing.com.au

See : http://www.offroadracing.com.au/features/aboutarticle.htm
The CV’s are also recognised as a weak link. Kombi CV’s can be used successfully if you don’t have huge amounts of travel in the rear, but almost everyone runs Porsche CVs. We actually run 7 series BMW CVs as they are the same size, shape and are almost as good as the Porsche ones at a cheaper price. We’ve had no problems with ours at all. A little bit of linishing and some specialised offroad cages and you’re on your way
Sounds like it could be a good option. Anybody here know any more on this?

I will possibly try to get some prices today.


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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#160976
they are the same as the 930 porsche CV which is bigger again in size than the 924/944/kombi CV........................big dollars for gearbox flanges and axles and stub axles

so I'm told !:jesus


Andy42 Insano Dub Head

709 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#161017
yep just over $700US for CVs, boots, drive flanges, and stub axels.. without shipping costs.
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