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VDO Gauges are No Good!! by Gene Berg !!

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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#165662
Have a look at this page from Gene Berg Enterprises... they say that VDO plus other gauges are ALL CRAP... What do You think??
I am about to add some VDO Gauges to MY Beetles dash...
I thought VDO was a good brand of Gauge...
Here is the late Gene Bergs' comments on Gauges:

http://www.geneberg.com/gauges.htm

Lee ... I wish I hadn't seen it....
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MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#165668
Yeh.....and 94mm pistons/cylinders are crap as well..... What a load of horse crap. Any guage should only be used as a tool and not soley relied apon. They are there to give an indication of what's going on. Also times/methods and quality have changed. I have VDO and SMITH guages and i use them as an indication of whats happening and wouldn't expect them to be 100% accurate....even if they were I wouldn't trust them.

[Edited on 23-4-2004 by Mick H]
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Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#165677
what mick said.
sheesh.
let sleeping dubs lie

kombikim disfunctionally capable

1,521 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#165684
what Peter said about that Mick said ... it seems that both my Kombi & Humber engines must be both long dead when I add 50 deg f to the temp readings they give sometimes
it is not necessarilly dead accuracy that is required, just monitoring for a variation of what they normally read, indicating a problem
Please, I need drivers side window regulator (winder mechanism) for my '54

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#165689
and the GB dip stick temp sender is the best thing since 92's :bounce
Futue te ipsum!!!

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#165690
blue74l wrote:and the GB dip stick temp sender is the best thing since 92's :bounce
HeHe...only at idle in a buggy though!!!!!:thumb
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kombikim disfunctionally capable

1,521 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#165693
I have the Taiwanese Electric temp Gauge from Supercheap
the manufacturers website says they are very Good!!:bounce
Please, I need drivers side window regulator (winder mechanism) for my '54

lulu94 Wolfsburg Wizard

449 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#165724
could they be sued for slander at all, they prob shouldnt have mentioned any names.

But i guess it comes down to what people think, how many who have used these guages would say they were crap and how many people havent had any probs?

i dont think we should rely on one source and start spending big bucks that might not be necessary.

Danielle

[Edited on 23-4-2004 by lulu94]
1968 pearl white beetle:kiss
1600 engine😉
soon to be supercharged 🤘🤘

1970 and 72 Squarebacks 70 soon to be rotor powered

Cam Custom Title Time!

1,535 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#165738
Funny, all of Gene's tests were done nearly 40 years ago and his opinion has'nt budged!
I have huge respect for the dude, but come on! It would be like saying computers are no good because I tested one in 1967.

modulus Veteran Volks Folk

2,009 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#165740
Ummm, I don't think Gene Berg's opinions are budging any more since, errr, how to put this delicately... Gene isn't budging any more. He's fallen off the (ratio) rocker. His compression readings are 0-0-0-0. His camshafts no longer bump. He had one stroker too many. He's running a (very) Low Energy Ignition system.

hth
Peter Hill
1975 Type 2 Double Cab
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Cam Custom Title Time!

1,535 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#165741
Sounds like a spin off of the parot sketch 😉

modulus Veteran Volks Folk

2,009 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#165742
Forget to mention that all his gauges are reading ______.
Peter Hill
1975 Type 2 Double Cab
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Cam Custom Title Time!

1,535 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#165744
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

byronbus dsk

4,204 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#165750
Any VDO gauges i have work fine, temp gauges there to monitor not to be 100% accurate, they do give me some idea as to whether im pushing the ol girl too hard and need to slow down, as with the oil pressure gauges...
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Che Castro ankle straps

1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#165754
i concur with the VDO pressure gauges... i suspect mine underreads by a fair bit
Jon

lugnuts Custom Title Time!

1,070 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#165756
Porsche are gunna be upset 😉

tonyg Seriously Crusin Dubber

174 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#165761
Just check out the VDO clocks in amost any veedub... never had one that works well yet
they took me away haha, hope the medication works

byronbus dsk

4,204 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#165796
The two clocks i've had have kept perfect time...except when i've taken the battery out, funny that
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lobus Wolfsburg Wizard

618 posts · joined Dec 2002 ·

#165839
byronbus wrote:Any VDO gauges i have work fine, temp gauges there to monitor not to be 100% accurate, they do give me some idea as to whether im pushing the ol girl too hard and need to slow down, as with the oil pressure gauges...
Same goes here no probs with the gauges...
only prob is me oil pressure is only registering a bit more than good old Gene's....blood pressure

[Edited on 25-4-2004 by Dubnut]
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70AutoStik Insano Dub Head

730 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#166185
Actually, the problem with this article by Gene was a common one, in that he reported observations without always understanding the science behind it. The problem with any attempt to measure an engine's "temperature" is what, exactly, you are measuring. Unfortunately you can't practically measure the parts that are being most affected by heat where it is occuring...

If you measure head temperature, the two most common points are the sparkplugs and exhaust studs, both will give different results and will differ due to how much the part and sensor are being cooled and the response time of the measuring apparatus - all together it will only give an approximation of what is occuring at the combustion chamber surface.

He went on a lot about the measuring of oil temp, 'cos you are always measuring an average and usually a cooled portion of the oil which will largely hide any variations in the important factor, which is how hot the bearings are actually getting. You would really need to use gas chromatograph to examine the oil from the engine, or rely on common sense, which is what he usually recommended, to the scorn of many f his peers.

lugnuts Custom Title Time!

1,070 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#166226
Julius Sumner Miller ^ :o

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#166278
But if GENE said it ....................it MUST be right !😉




LOL


blutopless2 DAMSLO

2,457 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#167367
thought i would chuck in my 2c worth... basically with any gauges you get what you pay for... want ultra accurate gauges then you will pay for it. i work as an instrument technician where i am required to repair/recalibrate/install etc instrumentation for a refinery. temperature is one of the hardest mediums to measure accurately.. many things effect this accuracy and as already stated in previous posts all car gauges are just to be used as a guide... even your speedo is only required to be +/-10% accurate by the ADR's. so to buy a $50 gauge and expect it to perform miracles is ... well... just plain silly... my company purchases equipment around the $5000 mark and it is still only accurate to +/-0.5%. (and sometimes not even that). i am in the process of trying to figure out the gauges i want in my beetle but know that before they go in i will take the time to recalibrate them to my own standards. That way i at least know the accuracy before i put them in.
see.... air and water do mix 😉

1974 1300
1997 MK3 Golf GL
2003 NB Cabrio
2012 Golf VI GTI
2014 Audi A4 Quattro

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#167435
Gene may have been a pioneer in the VW hot-up industry and I respect him for that, but maaaaan what a wierd dude with some f-u theories
Pay your debts, CxxT

Cruzin in a Golf Wolfsburg Wizard

406 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#167721
hmmm i dunno why the gauges seem so important to Gene...when the majority of people are going to notice if the heat of the engine rises...if it aint accurate surely it still gives an account of what is happening. I have the feeling Gene might be referring to people that race vws and rely on gauges....this would be where accuracy be more important i spose.
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Oasis Going alone...

1,806 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#167730
So who makes good guages?????
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"

toplessbug Fahrvergnugen

879 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#167881
vdo - they seem to work just fine to me. twas just a wee while ago i put my dmm with a guaranteed accuracy of .3% on the 20v scale and it read 14.368v and the guage read 14.4 so i rekon thats close enough for me as for my oil temp, if i go hard it goes up and when i slow down it retreats so it will do me and dr ferdinand as well