faulty horn

scottbugged Seriously Crusin Dubber

105 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 11 Jan 2005, 7:26 pm

#291666

Had steering box replaced in my 71 super bug and now the horn sounds when I turn the wheel, (had to wave to 8 strangers on the way home).

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twoguns simply aircooled

4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 11 Jan 2005, 7:26 pm

#291667

its shorting out on the steering column.

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scottbugged Seriously Crusin Dubber

105 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 11 Jan 2005, 7:29 pm

#291669

All connectors and wiring are in good order, It seems a bit funny that every thing was fine till the new box went in.

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twoguns simply aircooled

4,275 posts · joined Nov 2002 · 11 Jan 2005, 7:32 pm

#291671

it would seem though as it is only happening when youre turning, you must be twisting soemthing and causing a short somewhere, either in an earth or connection. i know mine was a raw connection.

but could be wrong

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scottbugged Seriously Crusin Dubber

105 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 11 Jan 2005, 7:37 pm

#291672

Pulled apart the column and had a close look around, there is no marks where it cold be arking put the wife noticed that the steering wheel seems to be siting closer to to column could this be the problem? and how do i fix it?

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scottbugged Seriously Crusin Dubber

105 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 11 Jan 2005, 7:45 pm

#291677

Still need help, I think the people next door are sick of hearing the horn.

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Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Jan 2005, 8:06 pm

#291705

On an early bug they had an eart wire running down the centre of the steering column.

On Supers it is all int the switch mechanism that houses the indicators.

Either ntake it back to whoever did it or if it was yourself/friends/relations then tou will need to pull the steering wheel off and reinstall it all again.

When you replace the steering box you need topull the steering shaft out.
This is where you problem opriginated.
You wife will be correct as in your steering wheel was not returned to its original position, and it is binding up and causing the horn to blast.
When you pull the wheel you will see the copper tabs of the horn

Anyway, it is fairly straight forward.

At least pull the wheel and remove the indicator component and see how that is sitting

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scottbugged Seriously Crusin Dubber

105 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 11 Jan 2005, 8:35 pm

#291724

How do I move the steering shaft back up bit more? that seems to be the problem has far as I can tell.

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buzzbug Praise the lowered

1,992 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 11 Jan 2005, 9:01 pm

#291745

hey dude i am haveing a similar problem,

i will try and find out what the go is with mine then get back to you.

Lee.

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they have no useful purpose
but they are fun to watch
when you push them down the stairs

scottbugged Seriously Crusin Dubber

105 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 11 Jan 2005, 9:04 pm

#291748

Thanks Buzzbug will be back on line tomorrow I hope, No hurry the car still has no rego yet, still getting all those little wrinkles out of her.

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buzzbug Praise the lowered

1,992 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 11 Jan 2005, 9:17 pm

#291762

good stuff mate,

i am driving mine without a horn,
it is frustrating, whats the use of abising people if you can't get thier attention. 😀

some people are like slinky's
they have no useful purpose
but they are fun to watch
when you push them down the stairs

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 11 Jan 2005, 10:34 pm

#291820

I'm not conversant with the superbug setup, but its probably the contacts under the steering wheel.... and yours are touching too often....
VWs have always had horn problems as when the ignition is ON... there is power to the horn ALL the time....
It just gets earthed out when You press the button...

this should have been one of their updates over the years...
about 1968... with all the other update changes....
a button on the dash is much easier....

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1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 12 Jan 2005, 7:48 am

#291902

The horns are positive grounded. here's a guide http://www.thebugshop.org/bsfqhorn.htm

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12,787 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 12 Jan 2005, 8:06 am

#291914

scottbugged wrote:How do I move the steering shaft back up bit more? that seems to be the problem has far as I can tell.

I will TRY and describe

The main steering shaft joins the universal which joins the box. This "just" runs through the tube that is bolted to the body that you can see. There is 2 6mm allen keys that have some adjustment for this.
The shaft has spline ends that is held with clamp bolts. These spline ends NEED to be in correctly to get the right angle and length for the shaft to sit right.
You wouldnt believe how many of these i have seen jerry put together!!! It is a petrol tank out job (would be a REAL bitch for a super with air cond!) to get this part right! But if each join is a 1mm out then that is about 5mm at the end.

The steering wheel end has a bearing inside the switch housing frame. There is a "frame" inside the plastic switch housing and this is is held on (i think) by another 6mm allen key that clamps onto the tube? There is also a sleeve for the bearing. (BTW - the steel onese are better than the plastic onese that shatter) You really need to take the 4 screws of the switch mechanisma and take the mechanism out to get to it.
The steering wheel is the last 25?mm nut you can see.

I would work my way dowm from the steering wheel and make sure everything is bedded properly.

1) steering wheel off
steering wheel back on bed in
test.

2) steering wheel off
switch meck out
switch mech in
steering wheel back on bed in
test.

3) steering wheel off
switch meck out
frame out
fram in
switch mech in
steering wheel back on bed in
test.

Slow but you get the idea.

The last one is a Sunday job.

Draon petrol - pull the tank and do it ALL again.

Manuals really dont show how a Super goes together. You REALLY heed to see one done properly and work to that.
I have yet to see one with the big rubber sealing ring at the universal end of the steering shaft in properly.
When i FINALLY worked mine out in all worked beautifully

Anyway hope this helps?? :duh

[Edited on 11-1-2005 by blue74l]

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scottbugged Seriously Crusin Dubber

105 posts · joined Sep 2004 · 15 Jan 2005, 9:51 pm

#293729

Thanks heaps blue74l, I will wait till mates come over and put them to work.

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1,547 posts · joined Aug 2004 · 16 Jan 2005, 12:14 pm

#293893

is most of this the same with a type 3? ('72)