Hi,
As it cools off, how long do you give your beetle to warm up before driving away?? This is my first winter, and she has been a bit "chuggy" in the am.
bobupp Seriously Crusin Dubber
111 posts · joined May 2004 ·
How long to warm up??
Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l
12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
you live in Rockhampton!
There is no such thing as cool weather!!
Seriously - what sort of dub is it??
Does it have a stock carb??
It "should" be smooth from start - especially if the choke works.
Tell us a bit more on the set up
There is no such thing as cool weather!!
Seriously - what sort of dub is it??
Does it have a stock carb??
It "should" be smooth from start - especially if the choke works.
Tell us a bit more on the set up
Futue te ipsum!!!
Y2K Wolfsburg Wizard
500 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·
hehehe well for me, if you count to 20 youll start to get a warm bum too.
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MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard
591 posts · joined May 2004 ·
A few minutes at 1500rpm
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't
akean1 Remember To Love
1,088 posts · joined Dec 2004 ·
till the song on the stereo is finished😉
68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --
11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
VW used to advertise in the early 60s that Beetles didn't need to be warmed up as MOST other "water cooled" cars had to back then.....
Start it up with the auto choke and drive away immediately...
I used to do that back in the middle 60s with the "L" plates on..... Its best to do that... otherwise You are just revving the engine for nothing....
Start up and drive away...
If You have twin carbs and no choke etc.... You might have to warm it up slightly.....
but revving a cold engine isn't good.....
thats when most wear is done.....
IMHO of course.....
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Lee
Start it up with the auto choke and drive away immediately...
I used to do that back in the middle 60s with the "L" plates on..... Its best to do that... otherwise You are just revving the engine for nothing....
Start up and drive away...
If You have twin carbs and no choke etc.... You might have to warm it up slightly.....
but revving a cold engine isn't good.....
thats when most wear is done.....
IMHO of course.....
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1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
Just drive off slow, thats what the factory suggest. Also never let your sit idling to cool down after a hard run, its better to drive steadliy a few ks from your destination instead, this applies to turbos as well.
Steve
Just drive off slow, thats what the factory suggest. Also never let your sit idling to cool down after a hard run, its better to drive steadliy a few ks from your destination instead, this applies to turbos as well.
Steve
bobupp Seriously Crusin Dubber
111 posts · joined May 2004 ·
To me 9 degrees is cold!!!
I think it is a standard carb with an auto choke, but I've noticed the choke seems to be running fast when the car is warm, when it gets warm.
nyway, I'll just get in turn on and drive after I'm buckled in by the postings here
I think it is a standard carb with an auto choke, but I've noticed the choke seems to be running fast when the car is warm, when it gets warm.
nyway, I'll just get in turn on and drive after I'm buckled in by the postings here
phantom Wolfsburg Wizard
598 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·
Well, for those of us in the real cold (one morning last week was -4), what I used to do was start the car and let it idle while I scrape the ice off the car. Now I can't do that as it doesn't idle well when cold (I'm putting it in for a checkover soon).
Mine is a stock 1500 bug....I start it and drive it slowly for the first few mins. It gets a bit chuggy as you say, but I think its just its way of saying it wants a tune.
Besides, I can't drive too quick in the early morning as the condensation on the car re-freezes on the windows...it takes about 7 - 10 mins before the car has lost enough moisture to be confident at speed that your vision is OK.....
Mine is a stock 1500 bug....I start it and drive it slowly for the first few mins. It gets a bit chuggy as you say, but I think its just its way of saying it wants a tune.
Besides, I can't drive too quick in the early morning as the condensation on the car re-freezes on the windows...it takes about 7 - 10 mins before the car has lost enough moisture to be confident at speed that your vision is OK.....
type3lover in the garage...
796 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·
I always let it run at fast idle for at least 2 minutes before driving off. Call it what you will but it makes me feel like I've done my bit to look after the engine. I have an oil temp gauge in both my VW's and usually wait until a temperature registers on it before driving. It's a fact that at lower temps the oil will have a greater viscosity and therefore cannot lubricate as well as if it was warm.
Even Muir said in his Idiot's book that he always rolled a smoke and got it drawing well before driving off. Quote: "The morning warm-up is the nicest possible thing you can do for your engine."
I drive a kombi and the engine works much harder than a bug, and I'd never floor a cold motor!
Just my 2c worth.
Even Muir said in his Idiot's book that he always rolled a smoke and got it drawing well before driving off. Quote: "The morning warm-up is the nicest possible thing you can do for your engine."
I drive a kombi and the engine works much harder than a bug, and I'd never floor a cold motor!
Just my 2c worth.
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bobupp Seriously Crusin Dubber
111 posts · joined May 2004 ·
Please take with the humour intended:- -4 degrees, well no wonder our population is booming!!! Think mine too is asking, " tune up pleaasseee"
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bus914 Custom Title Time!
1,230 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
i refitted the original thermostat and use magnatec. so i drive off slowly right away. time will tell.
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4,980 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
mine gets to warm up as long as it takes me to squeegy of the windows and to open and close my gates :thumb
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helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body
7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
I dont think Fleur even lets any exhaust gas get out of the tailpipes of the Beetle before she floors it.
That motor is shagged anyway. The kombi gets about 1-2 minutes of warmup, which is about when the auto chokes start warming up.
The EH needs about 5 minutes as it is LPG and has no thermostat in the head, and needs to fully warm up.
That motor is shagged anyway. The kombi gets about 1-2 minutes of warmup, which is about when the auto chokes start warming up.
The EH needs about 5 minutes as it is LPG and has no thermostat in the head, and needs to fully warm up.
tassupervee That really hurts doesnt it!
1,171 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
Bwaaahahahaha what a load of bollocks."The morning warm-up is the nicest possible thing you can do for your engine."
The wear associated with cold engines will happen regardless of wherther you sit there and light smokes, scrape windows, open gates, kiss the missus goodbye or tug your bolt!
You might as well get somewhere while wearing out your engine and burning fuel.
Just treat it easy till it warms up.
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Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....
tassupervee That really hurts doesnt it!
1,171 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
Running watercooled engines continuously without thermostats is probably the most abusive environment short valve bouncing it from cold to warm it up faster.Helbus wrote:and has no thermostat in the head, and needs to fully warm up.
These engines rarely reach operating temperature and suffer incorrect running clearances and sustained low oil temps resulting in the rapid buildup of destructive contaminants and acids in the oil.
In effect the engine is running in a cold start state continuously , oil contamination is drastically increased and engine life is drastically reduced.
As an aside.
Try running an old iron head Ford 6 such as a 170 or 200CuIn and without a thermostat fitted.
The opposite results here with almost constant overheating and boiling of the water in the radiator.
I have to ask tho, why would you NOT fit a thermostat just because the engine runs on gas??
If it was not your decision then who in blazes advised you to remove it and why?
L8tr
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Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....
MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard
591 posts · joined May 2004 ·
tassupervee wrote:Bwaaahahahaha what a load of bollocks."The morning warm-up is the nicest possible thing you can do for your engine."
The wear associated with cold engines will happen regardless of wherther you sit there and light smokes, scrape windows, open gates, kiss the missus goodbye or tug your bolt!
You might as well get somewhere while wearing out your engine and burning fuel.
Just treat it easy till it warms up.
L8tr
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It may happen regardless but if you load up the engine wear will be at a grater level than just idling away of a morning wear happens because of the engine berings etc are not at operating temp and tolerences so if you motor is just ticking away of a morning for a few minutes it will be helping it, as if your pushing 2 tone of kombi the stress on your engine will be huge when its stone cold and wear on bearings will be loads more if you drive of straight away rather than getting a little warmth in the engine first any vw mecanhic that knows his stuff will tell you this
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't
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1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I'd have to side with tas. The engine warms up much faster when it is under load. It does make sense not to rev the tits off it when it is cold as the clearances havent closed up yet though.
Either way, the engine has to warm up regardless and it will wear, even if you do believe the ads about "magnatec". I think regular maintanence is more important than idling it for a few minutes every morning.
Either way, the engine has to warm up regardless and it will wear, even if you do believe the ads about "magnatec". I think regular maintanence is more important than idling it for a few minutes every morning.
Jon
bobupp Seriously Crusin Dubber
111 posts · joined May 2004 ·
I know the square root of -1 is i, and I know think I can just get in and drive, as it's apparently not cold here in CQ. I think that is the answer I will live with with!!
Many thanks for the entertaining slants and views (as always)
Cheers:
Many thanks for the entertaining slants and views (as always)
Cheers:
type3lover in the garage...
796 posts · joined Feb 2005 ·
Well even if it is bollocks Taz, I'm gonna keep warming up my engine.
The oil and the various different metals used in the engine case, rods, bearings, pistons and cylinders etc all have different warmup and expansion rates and are all designed to run at "operating" temperature. That's good enough reason for me anyhoo.
Cheers!
Toby
The oil and the various different metals used in the engine case, rods, bearings, pistons and cylinders etc all have different warmup and expansion rates and are all designed to run at "operating" temperature. That's good enough reason for me anyhoo.
Cheers!
Toby
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MUD BASHING ANYONE ?? Wolfsburg Wizard
591 posts · joined May 2004 ·
Yeah as will i keep warming my engine up in the morning so do what you wish its your engine your killing
You only need two tools
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't
Wd40 if it don't move and it should
Duct tape if it move's and it shouldn't
tassupervee That really hurts doesnt it!
1,171 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
All you warmer-upperers are entitled to warm up your engines as long as you like. Hell, knock yourselves out, run it for 10 minutes.
Im not TELLING anybody how to treat their engine but i do know what i know.
But to come out with this little gem is absurd!
"so do what you wish its your engine your killing "
Pfftt! Thats childish.
Please!
L8tr
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Im not TELLING anybody how to treat their engine but i do know what i know.
But to come out with this little gem is absurd!
"so do what you wish its your engine your killing "
Pfftt! Thats childish.
Please!
L8tr
E
Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....
76camper Fahrvergnugen
884 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
make sure your heater control flaps and thermostat are working, this will make warm up ALOT quicker. dunno if a beetle has these put kombi's do
aggri1 Insano Dub Head
824 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·
All sorts of viewpoints. I go by how the motor feels. Usually I wait a little bit, less than a minute, at idle. This allows the motor to get to the point that it won't stall (when first started here in cold Vic it turns itself off in the first minute without a little bit of accelerator - I put a small water bottle on the accelerator to hold it a little open). The revs slowly go up as it warms up, so once it no longer stalls were I to release the pedal, she's ready.
However, I also don't floor it (not even close actually) for several (~5?) minutes, and don't rev it. Real gentle. I notice that if I do give it a bit much accelerator when cold it stutters and shudders and isn't impressed. But at the same time, I don't fear driving off straight away.
However, I also don't floor it (not even close actually) for several (~5?) minutes, and don't rev it. Real gentle. I notice that if I do give it a bit much accelerator when cold it stutters and shudders and isn't impressed. But at the same time, I don't fear driving off straight away.
Sandy Officially Full-On Dubber
254 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·
Cold metal parts don't like stress, things go crack. Also when cold the oil pressure is through the roof and the risk of blowing a seal or creating a leak somewhere is far greater. But like Taz said, you may as well drive off, just treat it easily and it'll be ok. Then again I have to warm mine up for a minute 'cause it doesn't have chokes and runs like a pig.
General_Failure Use your head, don't abuse it!
1,036 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·
I'd usually let it run for a minute and then take it easy for a while. The engine tells you how hard it wants to go anyway. Sometimes I was starting off in -20c temperatures in the morning. I'd usually let it run for a little while before I took off, because it just couldn't fire consistently at that temp.
What VW was saying is that you can drive away straight after you start it up. I don't recall them saying you can't let it warm up before you take off.
I mean the engines reach minimum operating temp very quickly, but you can leave it be if you want. ANd whoever said it was right. Cold metal cracks. So if you live in very cold areas, please don't overstress your motor on startup!
What VW was saying is that you can drive away straight after you start it up. I don't recall them saying you can't let it warm up before you take off.
I mean the engines reach minimum operating temp very quickly, but you can leave it be if you want. ANd whoever said it was right. Cold metal cracks. So if you live in very cold areas, please don't overstress your motor on startup!
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vern74 Fahrvergnugen
901 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·
I get in turn the key, push the garage door button and leave when its up
Thats the entire warm up
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Thats the entire warm up
Vern goes like a beauty
First time
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VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome
5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·
Yep! The best/quickest way to warm it up is to drive it... gently of course, but sitting there doing nothing is simply 'wasting wear'tassupervee wrote:Bwaaahahahaha what a load of bollocks."The morning warm-up is the nicest possible thing you can do for your engine."
The wear associated with cold engines will happen regardless of wherther you sit there and light smokes, scrape windows, open gates, kiss the missus goodbye or tug your bolt!
You might as well get somewhere while wearing out your engine and burning fuel.
Just treat it easy till it warms up.
L8tr
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zjm Officially Full-On Dubber
230 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·
I used to warm my car up and it ran like crap
now I start driving steady till its warm then thrash it no more problems !
now I start driving steady till its warm then thrash it no more problems !
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