subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
I had my bug with EJ 22 on the dyno, but was a bit disapointed at first. Because we faced a problem here.
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subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
Here you can see what is wrong! The clutch is slipping!
Yes, the clutch is to weak for the engine. The clutch was able to get only around 60 KW to the wheels. We tried four times with different adjustments of the clutch. Then I rode back home and pulled the engine out. And it was clearly visible on the flywheel that the clutch was the weak link.
It is a vanagon clutch, 215 mm, and now I am getting a new flywheel and a 228 mm clutch. Next time it will be better, but it might take a few weeks before I can do it again.
Yes, the clutch is to weak for the engine. The clutch was able to get only around 60 KW to the wheels. We tried four times with different adjustments of the clutch. Then I rode back home and pulled the engine out. And it was clearly visible on the flywheel that the clutch was the weak link.
It is a vanagon clutch, 215 mm, and now I am getting a new flywheel and a 228 mm clutch. Next time it will be better, but it might take a few weeks before I can do it again.
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Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
I think the 215mm clutch should've handled more power than that. Perhaps the pressure plate didn't have the spring force it should have had.
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Brad Wolfsburg Elder
3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
we have EJ22 running through 215mm clutches that seem to work fine. What clutch did you use ?
MikeM Buggy Head
1,429 posts · joined Aug 2003 ·
What Brand of Clutch plate did you use?
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boof2332 Custom Title Time!
1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·
The kombi clutch should have definetely handled the power. Mine is only a touch when going really hard, and Jaks took a coupe of weeks and his has 150kw at the wheels.
Pressure plate for sure...try a diferent brand.
Good luck......
Matt
Pressure plate for sure...try a diferent brand.
Good luck......
Matt
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
The 228 takes a bit of work to fit in a Type 1 trans and they are not that good, I slipped one with a NA wasserboxer. I had a $600 215 built by Race Clutch in Qld that worked well. Im going to use a IV Kennedy in my next one, cheap and easy to get.
Steve
The 228 takes a bit of work to fit in a Type 1 trans and they are not that good, I slipped one with a NA wasserboxer. I had a $600 215 built by Race Clutch in Qld that worked well. Im going to use a IV Kennedy in my next one, cheap and easy to get.
Steve
pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome
6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·
I've got a dead standard 215mm sachs german clutch behind my ej25 and it's only ever slipped when the clutch cable was too tight. Apart from that it seems to take anything I throw at it. And thats with 31inch tyres.
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
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subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
The clutch is a german sachs, brand new and a complete kit.
New pressureplate and everything. It is good to hear, that
you all think it should work. That is what I was told here, too.
It has to be the flywheel. Has anyone the measurements of the flywheel for a 215 mm clutch on hand. I would like to compare it to mine.
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New pressureplate and everything. It is good to hear, that
you all think it should work. That is what I was told here, too.
It has to be the flywheel. Has anyone the measurements of the flywheel for a 215 mm clutch on hand. I would like to compare it to mine.
[Edited on 1-6-2005 by subaruboxer]
Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer
3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
maybe your flywheel has been machined too many times, and is too deep. Maybe a workshop manual will give some tolerances.
You will probably need the clutch plate bead blasted, or at least sand the glazing off of it before reusing it on another flywheel (depending on how glazed it got spinning on the dyno).
You will probably need the clutch plate bead blasted, or at least sand the glazing off of it before reusing it on another flywheel (depending on how glazed it got spinning on the dyno).
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Brad Wolfsburg Elder
3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
what flywheel are you using ? We use custom ones when we do the conversion
1303 Officially Full-On Dubber
250 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·
Hi,
I had a dual diaphram 215mm clutch built for my conversion and also lightened the Sherman supplied flywheel at the same. It turned out that the flywheel was manufactured with too much depth ( as in approx 1.5mm deeper than standard ) so the flywheel face had to be machined to compensate. May be worth measuring a stock 215mm flywheel to compare.
I had a dual diaphram 215mm clutch built for my conversion and also lightened the Sherman supplied flywheel at the same. It turned out that the flywheel was manufactured with too much depth ( as in approx 1.5mm deeper than standard ) so the flywheel face had to be machined to compensate. May be worth measuring a stock 215mm flywheel to compare.
subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
I think it is possible, that my flywheel is to deep, just a little bit like the mentioned 1, 5 mm or something like that.1303 wrote:Hi,
I had a dual diaphram 215mm clutch built for my conversion and also lightened the Sherman supplied flywheel at the same. It turned out that the flywheel was manufactured with too much depth ( as in approx 1.5mm deeper than standard ) so the flywheel face had to be machined to compensate. May be worth measuring a stock 215mm flywheel to compare.
The flywheel is made here in Germany for the conversion, it comes in a kit with the adapter plate. But I have no standard kombi flywheel to check the depth. I don´t want to badmouth anyone, that is why I have to know what is wrong.
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subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
Now that the engine is out again, I will turn bad into good and cut the rear off at this occasion and make it removable.
Not as big as the one I posted, but not only the valance.
I cut it off today and keep you posted.
[Edited on 4-6-2005 by subaruboxer]
Not as big as the one I posted, but not only the valance.
I cut it off today and keep you posted.
[Edited on 4-6-2005 by subaruboxer]
boof2332 Custom Title Time!
1,210 posts · joined May 2004 ·
You can never cut out too much...I love cutting metal. If you go a bit crazy you can always make it a baja.
Matt
Matt
subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
Yeah you are right, looks a bit like I want to build a baja.
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subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
This one looks pretty technical. Herbie fully reloaded!
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72RSbug Officially Full-On Dubber
266 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
any pics of how the removeable rear valance is reattached to the body afterwards. I would imagine it being screwed on through a piece of steel on both sides but haven't seen any pics of it yet.
pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome
6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·
Subaru boxer, I hope you are planning to shorten the sump. :duh
BTW, what does your engine mount setup look like. I'm thinking of redoing mine in the not too distant future.
BTW, what does your engine mount setup look like. I'm thinking of redoing mine in the not too distant future.
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
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subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
72RSbug,
yes screwed on with steel plates. I am not finished with that,
pics will follow.
pete wood,
my sump is already shortend 40 mm.
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yes screwed on with steel plates. I am not finished with that,
pics will follow.
pete wood,
my sump is already shortend 40 mm.
[Edited on 9-6-2005 by subaruboxer]
pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome
6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·
Sorry mate, I just had a better look at ya pics and I can see now the sump is shortened.
BTW, Looked at all you pics but I couldn't see how the engine mounts work. Just to clarify things, are you using the anything to support the engine via the standard engine mounts on the bottom of the motor?
BTW, Looked at all you pics but I couldn't see how the engine mounts work. Just to clarify things, are you using the anything to support the engine via the standard engine mounts on the bottom of the motor?
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/
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subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
pete wood wrote:Sorry mate, I just had a better look at ya pics and I can see now the sump is shortened.
BTW, Looked at all you pics but I couldn't see how the engine mounts work. Just to clarify things, are you using the anything to support the engine via the standard engine mounts on the bottom of the motor?
Yes I installed a CUP brace.
pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome
6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·
What's a CUP brace? Sorry if I'm being painful. Just trying to fugure out how to redo mine in the best way.
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
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ricola Wolfsburg Wizard
437 posts · joined Feb 2003 ·
A cup brace is a triangulated set-up which runs one bar between the top shock mounts, then a bar from each top shock mount to the gearbox cradle mount on its corresponding side. Quite a few people sell kits now but there are a few stories of them breaking. I will be making my own version in steel CDS rather than the aluminium tube that is normally used.
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Rich
1303Steve Scirocco Rare
8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·
Hi
This is a cup brace.
I planning to make mine using beetle tire rod shafts with clevis ends.
Steve
This is a cup brace.
I planning to make mine using beetle tire rod shafts with clevis ends.
Steve
pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome
6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·
That's what I thought. So there are no factory engine moutns supporting the EJ22 in that beetle. It's held up only by the bellhousing adaptor plate. Correct?
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
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subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
That is correct. I f you want to see more pics of my bug, please check my posts here.
My cooling system
My header with stock cat for EJ 22
Moving the trans up
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My cooling system
My header with stock cat for EJ 22
Moving the trans up
[Edited on 10-6-2005 by subaruboxer]
pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome
6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·
Ta, looks like tha back of the car is very stiff.
Does it axle hop at all?
Are you using high tensile bolts to hold the engine on?
BTW, Took my daughter out today in my buggy to meet some friends at a park. Started raining on the way home. Great fun pulling off the lights. Let the clutch out slowly at lov revs. Then mash the throttle, car accelerates hard and then both tyres (31inch high 10.5 inch wide) break loose and light up.:thumb
Does it axle hop at all?
Are you using high tensile bolts to hold the engine on?
BTW, Took my daughter out today in my buggy to meet some friends at a park. Started raining on the way home. Great fun pulling off the lights. Let the clutch out slowly at lov revs. Then mash the throttle, car accelerates hard and then both tyres (31inch high 10.5 inch wide) break loose and light up.:thumb
"stoopid is stronger than axles"
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/
http://drivingnotpolishing.blogspot.com.au/
subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
Hi Pete,
No axle hop and the bolts come with the adapter kit.
No axle hop and the bolts come with the adapter kit.
subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber
292 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·
The cause for the slipping clutch was the pressure plate.
Something is wrong with it, it was said to be new.
I will get a new one and put it back in. Then I need a day off from work to get on the dyno again.
Something is wrong with it, it was said to be new.
I will get a new one and put it back in. Then I need a day off from work to get on the dyno again.