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foxy_fuchsia Insano Dub Head

803 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#392445
I graduated from a diploma of graphic design last year and have since done a few freelance jobs but haven't really gone for any interviews. I feel as though I haven't got the confidence to put myself out there. The course I did didn't really help, the teacher was very unorganised and what we learnt was from each other and the other teacher that was there in our second year. I just wanted to know if there were any graphic designers here who had stories of how they broke into the industry?

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,476 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#392447
my little brother is just about to finish his ba of art in graphic design
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foxy_fuchsia Insano Dub Head

803 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#392448
I was thinking about doing a ba in it either next year or the year after...

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,476 posts · joined Jun 2004 ·

#392449
go for it if you can handle more study it worth it
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crewcabconnection Being Sid James

1,922 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#392482
I am a formally qualified graphic designer.....with a good few years in design and advertising, from little shops to the biggies, later years in mutlimedia...but recently re-trained to teach design and tech at high school.

Good points about the industry:
It changes often, you get to be creative and explore ideas, then point things out to yer mates - oh I did that.

Bad points: Dog eat dog, never any time for the job, always on the back foot (clients never know what they want, but definately know what they don't want). Long hours and people are not always 'valued'.

In recent years there are so many private colleges knocking out 'designers' that competition is fierce for the newbie, and so wages have gotten a bit ordinary compaired to 20 years ago, but the demands are higher.

You will need to use Apple and PC with some skill, and defiantely know how to make artwork right to print using DTP apps. That seems pretty manditory now, then there's the folio of work and your personality.

My advice...the industry is dod eat dog and full of people that blag their way into it as much as those with talent do, you need a bit of both to do well, people skills is important, know when to hold em, know when to fold em as the song says.

Don't be intimidated, after going through big to small places - they all go from one near disaster to the next - they are not perfect. Having good management is the key, and often the 'manager' is the owner and an ex-designer - these people are real hard to please, as no matter what you do, you won't do it like them - these places I think are the hardest to work for, usually under 10 people places, good to cur yer teeth, but I would'nt stick around for years.

Breaking in is never easy, as getting off the C.V. pile is that hard thing, so try and have something you send in that get's noticed in some way - even if you just glue on a kit-kat to your CV. I've advertised for junior jobs on Seek and had 200+ replies in a couple of days.....that is the hardest part....getting the interview.

As we know, advertising is not always 'honest'. They make the ordinary seem desirable - or so they say - so you have to play the game to break in. A little 'creativity' with the gods honest truth might get you off the CV pile.

It's a good career if you're into it, but it's also long hours and often lots of pressure to meet deadlines - the suits and clients have no idea how long stuff really takes a lot of the time, so when you're up against it, they will still blame you if it's not 100% right, so you need to be able to say 'no' at times, which can be hard to the boss.....

To break in, try smaller, local printers. They don't have the most 'wow' jobs, but if you are cheap, then it's good experience to learn how things work without the pressure. Then work on yer folio - even if most of it is completely made up and you didn't do it commercially....even ripping off layouts and other ads can work. Make it look slick - and make it A3! A2 folios shout 'student'. Tell 'em you did the made up stuff overseas or something - that will make you look worldly wise....lol....No one checks....

Art Director is the better gig, then they give you graphic designers to dump work on, as art directors spend their time 'thinking', scribbling and going to photo shoots - great gig. The graphic designer is the one that turns that idea into a reality, and for my mind are often under-rated, and under paid.

But you need 2-5 years in the trenches before you get an AD gig usually, then it starts to pay off. I'd also suggest that you get into AWARD school (www.awardonline.com) - get in there if you can - it's a pet breeding ground of the big agencies - if it says you did AWARD school an agency will take more notice than a DEGREE!. Check out sites like Australian In Front and take part in the projects, you'll meet other people online....most of the good jobs in advertising and design are 'in the know'.

Hope I aint put you off, I have a great time doing it, but now I'm heading to 40, I'm too old to run with the kids, and have my own kids to bring up, and just don't have the time to put into the schmoooze that goes with design. Lots of booze, lattes and pub lunches to attend, with periodic pushing of a mouse and looking out the window.....lol....no seriously it's a good job....but can be a bitch to break into....just keep plugging away at it, and if after you get the job, start looking for a better one as soon as you get the feeling the 'leader' is not as smart as he/she made out at the interview. They sell themselves as much as you will!

Good luck!!!!!
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5PL1TDCS10N Insano Dub Head

845 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#392521
Hi Foxy,

I've been in the industry now since 1996 and have been running my own co.(me) for a few years now. I major as an illustrator but have/can do most design.
I was offered a position too good to refuse recently but still keep my business going as much as I can, mainly as I did'nt want to loose my clients and the variety is great.

Crewcabconn has made some great points. The first few years will make or break you. I know many qualified Designers that are working in other fields from being disillusioned. Be prepared to do some work experience for a week or two...to get your foot in the door and to realise you really did'nt learn much at college!!

Work on your strenghts and unique style. What did you major in and what interests you the most? Illustration, Cartoon/animation, Design, Advertising, Multimedia or Print?

Research and networking is the key to geeting into the right places. Find out who's who and who's doing what where. Then just call the places that interest you and organise a meeting to show your folio. Alot of the times jobs are'nt advertised.

Regarding your folio, don't have more than 8-10 pieces of really good work, and variety. Have your business cards ready and its good to have some self promotion to leave with the client with a snipet of your work.

Go to as many Graphic Designt meetings etc and mingle. Nothing beats networking and always remember even the big rigs were once students and are often more than approachable.

Hope this helps. It's not easy but if you believe that you have what it takes than the world is your oyster. I've seen alot of crap bought for alot of $$$ from ignorant clients, and I've also see really good work get binned...

If there is anythni I can help you with just email me...



Wayne

foxy_fuchsia Insano Dub Head

803 posts · joined Mar 2005 ·

#392547
Thanks for that guys, I really needed it. It's good to get different perspectives of what it's like. I myself was always interested in art like painting, sketching...but then started dabbling in computers. I like advertising, like the stuff you see in magazines, design, logos as well...and I have just starting learning more of dreamweaver in my spare time. I would love to one day open my own business.

Thankx for the great information guys. I just guess atm I feel like im at a stand still and I don't know what to do. My life has always been built around art so I don't know what other career I would pursue! At the moment I just feel like packing my bags and moving overseas.

amazer kombi pilot

3,187 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#392723
i dont know what its like for art studetns but from what I have gathered from anyone who has done degrees such as teaching, finance, psychology, engineering, computers.... most things you learn in your course is crap, its not how its done in real world situations, you'll learn more in your first 6 months of work than you did over 3 or 4 years of study. Pretty much the only thing uni is good for is teaching you logical thinking. It gives you a little bit of knowledge to get started and the commonsense and/or logic on how to work out the rest.

I have a mate who is working for a major superannuation company and his job is to alter computer scripts that generate reports. It takes him 10 minutes to do his job, then 3 days to get it passed by everyone for approval.

I'll let you know if that theory holds good, should I ever luck out and find a job for myself.
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mscabrio Cabriolet Queen

2,308 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#392809
I agree with amazer. I learnt diddly squat during my undergraduate degree. It wasn't until I hit the workforce that I learnt what I should have learnt during the 3 years of study.

Good luck foxy, I hope that your career takes off and remember to have confidence in yourself, you seem like a fiesty chick so I am sure that you will go a long way !
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bigrudi Wolfsburg Wizard

401 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#392863
Anybody know of any places offering work experience?

Turbo54 Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined Jul 2004 ·

#392944
Totally agree with Crewcab. I work for a ad agency and agree that the industry is dog eat dog but it is changing. Clients are swapping regularly and the timelines are getting shorter. It's becoming harder to keep up and burning poeple out fast. I too worked my way up from a small printer (clothing) to doing fashion in Melb. to runing my own business and then being offered a job with the company I am currently with.
Try to get into award school, its a good move if you want to work in advertising. Try and do as much work experience as possible in ad agencies and design houses and work out what you want to do, they are very different from each other.
I know here in Adelaide and also in Sydney (not sure anywhere else) there is agencies dedicated to the design industry who could help you get a job. This is the number for the Adelaide one and they might know if theres one near you.
Good Luck,
Turbo54


The adelaide agency is called Aquent (08) 8364 4309
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