Shortening suby sump...

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 9 Jun 2005, 11:35 pm

#369965

Due to the hole in the sump from a wheelie in 2nd, I decided to shorten it while I had it off. Outback motosports? sell a sump that just has 1.5 inches cut off the bottom and a plate welded on. The sump was big enough that even with the 1.5 inches gone, the sump still can hold the recommended amount of oil(so they say)

I started with that intention and ended up with this.....
Please excuse the phone pics again.....I will take some better ones later.

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boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 9 Jun 2005, 11:37 pm

#369966

I have cut about an inch out of the middle and rejoined them, like a chopped bug(next project)
Ignore the shadow under the base, you can see the original drain plug, which stays the same...

[Edited on 9/6/2005 by boof2332]

[Edited on 9/6/2005 by boof2332]

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boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 9 Jun 2005, 11:49 pm

#369973

The original bottom baffle in the sump gets cut out when it is shortened, athough it can be gound out and rewelded back at any chosen height.

The base section was cut with the sloping side being 2cm longer than the others. This protruding side could be bent horizontal, then covering the gap that would be left due to the bottom piece being significantly shorter after the cutting.(looks like a bullnose in the first pic)

What do you think?

Matt

[Edited on 9/6/2005 by boof2332]

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subaruboxer Officially Full-On Dubber

292 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 10 Jun 2005, 2:15 am

#370005

Hi Matt,
it is not important how it looks, it got to work. Just make sure it is leakfree before you put it back under the engine.
I used gasoline to check mine.

Jenny Officially Full-On Dubber

352 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 10 Jun 2005, 7:08 am

#370018

How did it go?

Brad Wolfsburg Elder

3,764 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 10 Jun 2005, 11:23 am

#370132

also make sure you mod your picup to suit.

Pay attention to the dip stick tube as it is brazed in and if you weld near it will leak if you don't rebraze it.

How much shorter did it end up ?

Brad
Why copy when you can own an original ?
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boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 10 Jun 2005, 11:41 am

#370142

The pickup will be braised as suggested, it will be too fiddly to weld. The two halves are still seperate, I just finished filing the surfaces and sitting them together for the photo. They will be tig welded later today. It will end up being about 1.5 inches shorter.

Matt

bigbaja Wolfsburg Wizard

438 posts · joined Feb 2004 · 10 Jun 2005, 10:00 pm

#370422

cor makes 85 mm shorter ones

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boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 11 Jun 2005, 12:05 am

#370466

Thats pretty short, I guess you need crazy clearance off road.For on the street, all you need is 40mm shorter. Its then inline with the oil filter and headers.

I was looking at the options of buying one for about $450 on exchange, although I wanted the car back on the road tomorrow and turn around on an exchange would have to be atleast a week. Figured I'd give it a go myself....if its wrecked, then get a second hand one, if it works....The car will be running in the morning.

Matt

bugat5speed Casual Dubber

25 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 13 Jun 2005, 9:09 pm

#371511

why not with well cooling 5 cm shortened aluminium cast sump?
I know, most of you are aiming to do low budget conversions, but how many hours do you spend with such an oilsump?
How much capacity do you give up, by simply shortening the original sump. Mine´s capacity is 4,25 litres and I can tell you that it is very stabile and very well cooling the engine. You can easily lift the car by putting the lifter under the sump. Besides it´s looking more like a VW-related engine when you look from underneath. Especially for buggies where you can see the whole oilpan it´s to me a little ugly to have such a reworked Subi-melone.
The only problem is, that freight to AUS is about 50 Euro for one sump and about 85 Euro for a package of upto three sumps. But is this really a problem?
Cheers Martin www.bugat5speed.de

[Edited on 13-6-2005 by bugat5speed]

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 14 Jun 2005, 5:40 pm

#371879

Martin, I think yours looks great, and will consider one in the future, I just wanted the car back on the road as quick as possible. Mine still holds normal capacity. I also have welded a 3mm skid plate on the bottom of mine, as they are not the thickest metal to start with.

Matt

ricola Wolfsburg Wizard

437 posts · joined Feb 2003 · 22 Jun 2005, 5:29 am

#375186

Matt,
Have you got some pics of your new shortened sump fitted?
Rich

http://www.ricola.co.uk

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 22 Jun 2005, 9:03 pm

#375568

I will take a pic tomorrow...it is just below the cast headers.

Matt

Jenny Officially Full-On Dubber

352 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 2 Aug 2005, 10:39 am

#392646

Still like to see a pic Matt

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 3 Aug 2005, 8:08 am

#392918

Here is one of my famous phone pics...I know I know, I get a new phone in a week with a megapixle camera.

Matt

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axel77 Learner Dubber

11 posts · joined Aug 2006 · 31 Aug 2006, 10:39 am

#528513

bugat5speed wrote:why not with well cooling 5 cm shortened aluminium cast sump?
I know, most of you are aiming to do low budget conversions, but how many hours do you spend with such an oilsump?
How much capacity do you give up, by simply shortening the original sump. Mine´s capacity is 4,25 litres and I can tell you that it is very stabile and very well cooling the engine. You can easily lift the car by putting the lifter under the sump. Besides it´s looking more like a VW-related engine when you look from underneath. Especially for buggies where you can see the whole oilpan it´s to me a little ugly to have such a reworked Subi-melone.
The only problem is, that freight to AUS is about 50 Euro for one sump and about 85 Euro for a package of upto three sumps. But is this really a problem?
Cheers Martin www.bugat5speed.de

[Edited on 13-6-2005 by bugat5speed]

Martin, do you have some pictures of your cast sumps? And a price?

Cheers, Axel.

mackaymanx Custom Title Time!

1,611 posts · joined Jan 2006 · 31 Aug 2006, 11:03 am

#528523

http://www.bugat5speed.de/cms/content/view/30/53/

Quote of the week
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boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 1 Sep 2006, 12:25 am

#528820

I have to find the picture of the new one, althouh this is essentially what ours are like, although the new ones have a slight bootleg look and have profile cut top plates. They are about 45mm shorter and hold about the same as stock due to the slight flare and straight sides.

Matt
http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/299519.jpg

axel77 Learner Dubber

11 posts · joined Aug 2006 · 1 Sep 2006, 2:12 am

#528852

Fwooarr, these are sexy units. Great engineering idea being two piece. Price is 275 euro (about 460AUD). As Martin says its about 50 euro postage (85AUD).

vw2b Casual Dubber

43 posts · joined Aug 2005 · 5 Sep 2006, 10:45 am

#530738

Who makes these ones ? The picture was from the Manx Club site but had no details ?

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 · 5 Sep 2006, 12:52 pm

#530811

custom offroad in brisbane. warning though, they are exy but then I spose you get what you pay for.

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gull Wolfsburg Wizard

446 posts · joined Jun 2005 · 5 Sep 2006, 1:08 pm

#530817

were the cast ones any good , I need 7 of them

reub VWRX is gone...

2,054 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 5 Sep 2006, 1:17 pm

#530820

NICE WORK MATT! :thumb

I've a bugat5speed cast one that never made it onto my car....Guess one day it might.

Didn't think the casting was fantastic, but that's only my opinion.

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=43283&page=2#pid419282

[ Edited on 5-9-2006 by reub-revhead ]

Reub

vw2b Casual Dubber

43 posts · joined Aug 2005 · 5 Sep 2006, 2:03 pm

#530842

pete wood wrote:custom offroad in brisbane. warning though, they are exy but then I spose you get what you pay for.

$550 with modified pickup ... 85mm shorter ..

Is anyone else going that short ?

Anyone heard of any issues with them ?

Baja Wes V6 Baja Pioneer

3,119 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 5 Sep 2006, 3:05 pm

#530855

There's been a few different versions of them. The current COR shortened sumps are laser cut steel, folded and TIG welded to shape. Quite a lot of labour involved to make them, hence the price.

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