i have just bought it and there are a couple of things that i am not sure about .... i am guessing its a type 4 that has had an upright fan housing put on.. am i right?..
ok... now the main concerns,,,, on the right hand side as u look a the engine is some sort of pipe work.. what the hell is it for?
on the other side where the oil sender normail is is some sort of pipe that is blocked of and above it is the oil sender this right? now last one on this bit... dipstick.. i know this sounds stupid but where the hell is it.. i looked all over for it and nothing... pic of all the above
now last one... engine number? where would i find it... its not in the normal place(type1) and i found a vw stamp and numbers on the right hand side of the sump... thses wouldnt be it would it? i guess they are just a part number for the sump any ideas?? also the oil cooler... it doesnt seem to ahve the upright style, now i have not taken the fan houseing off yet but there is no section that sticks out like noraml.. would it be a smaller one or are the pipes i asked about soemthing to do with it? sorry to be a bloody pain but i got a good price on teh engine(thanks gorn) and i have just had it shiped from perth to Qld.. last bit of the puzzle to get my car on the road... so i am jumping up and down a bit to get it done:P
The engine is not a type 4, maybe an early type 3.....................the engine number will be on the top of the case, under the fan housing in the middle........or it maybe a "new" factory case....... the pipe on the lower right is where the original type 3 dipstick went ( you need to buy a type 3 to type 1 dipstick adapter kit if fitting to a beetle).....................oil cooler can be mounted the same as a type one, either in the fan housing(older style) or external "dog house" to the fan housing (later style)............as for the pipe under the sender WTF !!!
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the size i am not totaly sure about...1776 was sugested by the person i bought it off but they bought it from someone else so they wer no totaly sure of what was done....
so magic i have an answer as to what it is..type 3 cool.. now in the morning i will look for engine numbers.,... as for the type3 to type 1 dipstick kit.. any ideas where i can get one??
That tube under the pressure switch is most probably because the P.O tapped into an oil gallery for an external oil cooler or something and that is just a plug. (just a guess, duno if there is an oil gallery there on type 3's, maybe some1 else can confirm)
The cases themselves should be much the same with some minor external differences.
I think generally type 3 cases can be readily converted to type 1: main thing is need to fit a dipstick tube into correct place (drill a hole), and blank-off large oil-hole at bottom of case. Not sure how easy it is to fit the oil pressure switch into the beetle's position (type 3 has it mounted on oil cooler).
Generally type 1 cases don't convert as easily to type 3. Need to provide the large oil-filling hole at bottom (plus its 2 studs) -- and IRS type 3's need mounting points for the large cross-mount bar at the rear - may not be possible to attach? Hope someone has more definite answer.
BUT after a certain year (around 1970 or 71 ??? not sure), such cases are "Universal" and should be more easily set up for either type 1 or 3.
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ACE76 wrote:BUT after a certain year (around 1970 or 71 ??? not sure), such cases are "Universal" and should be more easily set up for either type 1 or 3.
Little bit of a blanket statement there, not entirely true.
The universal cases sold by VW Germany, Brazil and Mexico were never fitted to 71 on cars from the factory.
They were just your basic AS41 dual releif case but had the cradle points for Bay window bus and type 3 but also had a type1 dipstick tube and oil pressure sender port below the dist, type 3 engines never had those and the factory bay window upright engines never had the type 3 filler port just the cradle mounting points.
No factory Beetle cases had the cradle mounts or type3 oil filler
Fitting a type 3 engine in a bug or bay is a PITA as they have no oil pressure sender and need the adpater dipstick and fitting a bug or bay engine in a type3 is a PITA as they have no dipstick port and need one of those cheesy oil pump cradle adapters.
So replacement case were universal they had all those features.
Thanks Joel, that's the sort of clarification I meant. Sort of thinking "more unviersal" in application vs. true Universal Case. (And I thought PITA was some sort of oriental bread. Woops). But is it possible to drill and tap the oil pressure switch into a type 3 case, in the type 1 position? Or does it all have to be dismantled. Ditto the dipstick tube...?
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All the type 3 blocks I;ve seen have had the boss there for the sender its just not drilled out.
Unfortuntaly drilling it out means a full tear down to clean out the passages after.
Another alternative is to use the type 3 oil cooler and mount the sender in it.
Was an old showcar trick to tidy up the engine bay, just takes a 90 degree fitting and some trimming of the doghouse.
!!! I have a type 3 engine too but 1600cc. I converted it to upright in my baja from a variant.
hus22l wrote:Very old thread. But curious. What a are the pros and cons of converting a type 3 case for use as a type 1?
If there is a thread on this point me too it - I am looking for it
The type 3 1500 cases are risky, as many didn't have separate cam bearing shells! They are a slightly beefed up 1200cc case, none the less bored out to 1500cc.
Once the bores are worn for the cams, its worn. As the bearing surface is actually the case. I had one myself but moved on to alum case for a project.
Quote (from Joel): "...and need one of those cheesy oil pump cradle adapters."
Joel, could you explain please what the oil pump cradle adapter is, if possible? Do you just mean the large bar that makes up the rear engine mount, attaching to the case with the 3 bolts ?
[We have a 1976 beetle with an original engine, that has an AS 21 case. Don't know when these started, but must have been quite late in Aust., for type 1. All the other original S'bug & type 3 engines we've had from 1970 on have been AS 41, as far as known.]
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It's just an adapter so you can fit the Type3 or Kombi cradle bar to a Beetle engine if it doesnt have the 3 mounting points.
They pick up the 4 oil pump bolts and the lower case bolt.
Supporting the engine and gearbox using only those is not a good idea long term.
One of the spare engines I had came with one.
Thanks Joel, have never seen one of those (perhaps just as well). Hope all that clarifies the interesting type 1 to 3 -- and type 3 to 1 question!
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