power estimates

bajaben Officially Full-On Dubber

222 posts · joined May 2005 · 14 Aug 2005, 12:49 pm

#397312

hey, i gotta 1776cc baja with lightened flywheel and conrods and i have had an estimate of about 90 hp. running a single 40dcn weber. what power would i be looking at with a set of 044 heads and and a set of dual intake quad throttle body fuel injection system thingys. im looking at turbo fuel injection but don't know if im gonna have the money, and i can always turbo it later once i get the feeling for more power, its like a freaken disease :cry
thanks in advance for the help

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 14 Aug 2005, 7:02 pm

#397399

What cam, compression, and portwork on the 044s?

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shiftyvw Wolfsburg Wizard

523 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 15 Aug 2005, 9:22 pm

#397961

also doubtful u have 90hp now

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 15 Aug 2005, 9:25 pm

#397964

I'll 'estimate' you have 65hp now...

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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 15 Aug 2005, 9:30 pm

#397967

I would also run a full weight flywheel on a Baja for the extra torque gains........

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 16 Aug 2005, 7:22 am

#398059

Well it depends on whos shop Dyno you run the car on.

lucky with 65hp

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bajaben Officially Full-On Dubber

222 posts · joined May 2005 · 16 Aug 2005, 11:23 am

#398130

stock cam and i dunno what compression ratio, i know its higher than stock, its a street baja so torque isn't a major issue since it has the large ass wheels on the back. im looking at trying to get between 120 and 200 hp eventually. i just need a rough estimate of power, like within like 10-20 hp

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 16 Aug 2005, 11:34 am

#398133

im going to say most likely 65 with the rest of the boys cause i know my t4 bug is only about 80-90hp, and its a stock 2L. that and the highest hp on the sydney dyno day was 150 or so and that was a turbo baja running a 1916 i thinknn[ Edited on 16-8-05 by barls ]

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HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 16 Aug 2005, 12:45 pm

#398155

vw54 wrote:Well it depends on whos shop Dyno you run the car on.

Only if the operator doesn't know what they are doing or they deliberately set it up incorrectly to give a false reading.

That's why Dyno Dynamics beat them all. Lock it in Shootout mode (if the operator has the training and certification to get shootout) and you can't fudge the results at all and they'll be exactly the same on any other dyno using shootout mode.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 16 Aug 2005, 9:24 pm

#398306

I would stab in the dark and say 65 to 70 hp
depending on comp ratio and tune up.
It might make 90 with the two carbs, bigger cam
and 044s...but that depends on what the 044s
are like. Unported they may flow less than stock because the bigger valves are shrouded by the chamber.
The twin carb manifold will wake things up.
These guestimates are flywheel HP.
850kg car will run low 15s at around 85mph with 90hp @flywheel.
Don't be disapointed if it makes 75 at the wheels.

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bajaben Officially Full-On Dubber

222 posts · joined May 2005 · 17 Aug 2005, 11:57 am

#398464

so even with the cam, heads, twin fuel injection, it won't be that exciting? what about some new valve train and what else can i do to give it more power without going turbo??? im gonna get a deeper sump and a 16 pass oil cooler with a thermo fan and stuff like that to keep it cool since im up in north queensland. about 40 degrees in the summer.

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 17 Aug 2005, 1:42 pm

#398494

Go for something with larger displacement...or a radiator...Where abouts in NTH QLD are u?

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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 17 Aug 2005, 4:08 pm

#398535

Just put a Subaru in it. Go see the team at Custom Offroad:thumb

boof2332 Custom Title Time!

1,210 posts · joined May 2004 · 17 Aug 2005, 8:06 pm

#398620

Craig, when is the 181 getting a subaru conversion?

bajaben Officially Full-On Dubber

222 posts · joined May 2005 · 17 Aug 2005, 9:41 pm

#398680

im also in townsville, and i don't have the money to put an ej in it. i have a stock wrx turbo so i may find away to put that into it somehow :alien

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 17 Aug 2005, 10:30 pm

#398708

boof2332 wrote:Craig, when is the 181 getting a subaru conversion?

Never! it will stay VW powered:P

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 · 18 Aug 2005, 9:02 am

#398777

I might put a Subie Turbo in my Country Buggy...

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subimanx Casual Dubber

47 posts · joined Jul 2005 · 18 Aug 2005, 9:18 am

#398781

bajaben wrote:im also in townsville, and i don't have the money to put an ej in it. i have a stock wrx turbo so i may find away to put that into it somehow :alien

we will have to get together sometime.Are you going to join the Manx Club?

Mick H

MickH Hairy Gutted Sloth

3,389 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 18 Aug 2005, 10:54 am

#398799

subimanx wrote:
bajaben wrote:im also in townsville, and i don't have the money to put an ej in it. i have a stock wrx turbo so i may find away to put that into it somehow :alien
we will have to get together sometime.Are you going to join the Manx Club?

Mick H

It's only me:P

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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 18 Aug 2005, 11:53 am

#398811

Ben, it will be a very fun engine and I think you will be happy with what you have planned.
If you keep the stock camshaft, I would try to find someone reputable to do some seat, chamber and then port work on the 044s.
With your big tyres, a small cam is all I would recommend, say C25 or W100.

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bajaben Officially Full-On Dubber

222 posts · joined May 2005 · 18 Aug 2005, 3:08 pm

#398874

i didn't know we had a manx club up here and mine is a baja so i wasn't planning on doing it. when i fix the gearbox we will have to get everyone up here together and go for a thursday night cruse, go for a strandy to show all the ajs we have a force as well :P

posted on 18/8/2005 at 01:53 AM
Ben, it will be a very fun engine and I think you will be happy with what you have planned.
If you keep the stock camshaft, I would try to find someone reputable to do some seat, chamber and then port work on the 044s.
With your big tyres, a small cam is all I would recommend, say C25 or W100.

thanks for the advice, im going to go with the twin fuel injection and get an oil cooler and deeper sump and the heads worked and stuff like that, also disc brakes and a camber compensator and sway bar, then later on look at doing the turbo with the wrx turbo and see if i blow anything up :cry oh well, can only try

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 18 Aug 2005, 11:15 pm

#399077

then if you are going to do all that............a small cam is pointless.

tassupervee That really hurts doesnt it!

1,171 posts · joined Sep 2003 · 19 Aug 2005, 6:23 pm

#399242

If your going to go EFI, turbo and all the rest blah blah blah you reckon, you will unload enough gold into that thing to have your Suby turbo engine fitted for you while you wait.
The kind of horsepowerand modifications you are dreaming about does not come cheap M8.
If you want a reasonably close estimate of your road wheel power, book it onto a dyno for 15 minutes and you will have your figures on a bit of paper in your hand.
L8tr
Enn[ Edited on 19/8/05 by tassupervee ]

Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....